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"So let us cast aside the false promise of “Just-me-and-my-Bible” Christianity, let us remove the crushing burden of telling every individual Christian, no matter how poor, uneducated, or illiterate, that he must be his own theologian and that his soul hangs in the balance, let us remove the hypocrisy Protestant pastors are forced into by the doctrine as they permit for themselves a right they prohibit for the members of their congregations, and let us be honest, with the Catholic Church, about the matter: Sola scriptura, and the absolute right of private judgment which it entails, is simply not God’s plan" ~ Jimmy Aiken, Catholic Convert from Protestantism
1 posted on 07/10/2014 8:05:46 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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QUOTE: "...the history of the Church (the saints, the councils, the Fathers...)"

If he actually studied his scriptures, he would know ALL believers are Saints (Romans 1:7, 1 Cor 1:2), and we are not to call any religious leader "father" (Matthew 23:9).

The Bereans of Acts 17:11 were commended for searching the scriptures to determine is the things taught to them by the apostles were true, and as Paul told Timothy in 2 Tim 3:16 -17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of Goda may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Granted, we have all learned at the feet of others, but it is up to us as individuals to determine if what we have been taught is scripturally true.

I am convinced that what the author is scared of is learning the truth that much of what he has been taught is merely the traditions of men, exactly what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for! See Matthew 15:6-9

"6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
8“ ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’”

35 posted on 07/10/2014 8:47:06 PM PDT by jimmyray
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This guy has no understanding of Sola Scriptura.

He is describing solo scriptura.

Stopped reading after the first few sentences, no reason to even try to disagree with him.


38 posted on 07/10/2014 8:50:05 PM PDT by Gamecock (There is room for all of God's animals. Right next to the mashed potatoes and gravy.)
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Where is “Scripture only” found? In Scripture of course, not some extra-Scriptural doctrine, as the author claims, which would be self-contradictory.

Mark 7:8
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Revelation 22
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Examples abound of those who went beyond Scripture and paid the price, Moses, Saul etc.


40 posted on 07/10/2014 8:52:04 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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The premise not withstanding, this writing style just annoys me with too many unnecessary words and phrases for my liking. I found it difficult to focus on what the author was communicating.


41 posted on 07/10/2014 8:58:57 PM PDT by langleyaction (Embedded within every corrupt system are the seeds of its destruction)
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I went and got a few Scriptures to prove Sola Scriptura. After reading all the others posted here, how can there be the least doubt? Deniers are like the Pharisees.


43 posted on 07/10/2014 9:04:28 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (HELL, NO! BE UNGOVERNABLE! --- ISLAM DELENDA EST)
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Acts 17:11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
48 posted on 07/10/2014 9:10:39 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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What’s more is that this ideal of “Scripture Alone” rejects the whole of Christianity which has come before the individual Christian. It rejects the history of the Church and the great teachers of the faith (and when it doesn’t, it doesn’t uphold its own values.)

One presumes these "great teachers" were all in agreement on everything. Newsflash...they weren't.

52 posted on 07/10/2014 9:12:28 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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From the article:

“Sola Scriptura is the idea that Christianity ought to be based off of “Scripture Alone” (which is the English translation of “Sola Scriptura”), that is to say, it should be without ritual, or the teaching authority of anyone. And that each of us is obligated to read the Scriptures and form ourselves through them, on our own.”

I stopped reading upon seeing the words that followed “that is to say” in the second full paragraph, knowing that it would only get more preposterously false thereafter. The author’s proposition is akin to the WWII propaganda that depicted all Japanese soldiers and sailors with buckteeth and thick eyeglasses. Such may have worked to some extent 70 years ago, but ...


61 posted on 07/10/2014 9:22:13 PM PDT by Belteshazzar (We are not justified by our works but by faith - De Jacob et vita beata 2 +Ambrose of Milan)
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"I find the whole idea of “Scripture Alone” horrifying."

Harry Potter must have been really terrifying.

77 posted on 07/10/2014 9:46:41 PM PDT by mlo
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I listened to Paul’s letter to the Galatians three times today while performing manual labor. I wasn’t alone, as the Holy Spirit was using one of my beloved brothers in the cloud of witnesses to communicate His Truth to me.

Glorious!


85 posted on 07/10/2014 10:01:03 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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God through the Holy Spirit is the soul author that moved and inspired man to write the scriptures.
For the Bible it's self tells that :

2 Peter 1:20:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

In other words nothing in the Bible that was written was the imagination or contrived by man.
The soul authority of scripture is from God through the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is our teacher.

However I would go on to say that anyone who was " Born Again " and or Protestant and left the faith is considered " Apostate " .
Salvation through grace by faith only.... not by works.
Of course what James said about " faith without works is dead " is a whole another debate.
Simply put, he was not talking about saving faith, but daily practical faith, it has nothing to do with your eternal salvation.
Your " eternal salvation " was bought and paid for by the blood of Jesus and accepted by faith only.
101 posted on 07/10/2014 10:25:04 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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So your scared to death by some Protestant who is moved and taught by the Holy Spirit of the scriptures, but not terrified that your soul hangs in the balance of “ Some man “ Catholic teacher who is influenced by man’s agenda and “ Humanistic “ theology of the scriptures ?


104 posted on 07/10/2014 10:28:41 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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Don't be surprised that the anti-Christ sends so called " Teachers " out into the world as well taught teachers of all things in the bible who have " Authority " and Theology Degrees to impress people that they are somebody who knows the bible who don't have the Holy Spirit within them.

Take this warning now, don't follow the ways of man, or the paths of man.... the Bible Sola Scripture is your safe haven.
105 posted on 07/10/2014 10:32:47 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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If Sola Scripture it's frightening, terrifying, horrible, then please explain why many Protestants throughout many centuries were martyred, burned to the stake, killed for their faith and for trying to bring the " Scriptures " to the people ?
It seems ? those who want to keep the truth of God's word from the masses, the people, and to keep their control over the people, and their power grab should be those whom you should fear.
You want a good example of this ? take a look at what is happening in some of the middle east countries who are Muslim.
116 posted on 07/10/2014 11:01:05 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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What God says in the Bible ought to scare the Bejesus out of you—or hopefully, scare the Jesus into you. The alternative of eternal damnation is certainly not very attractive.


123 posted on 07/10/2014 11:31:54 PM PDT by kaehurowing (FIGHT BULLYING, UNINSTALL FIREFOX)
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I agree with you, NKP. Context is very important.

What does the following sentence mean?

“John is gay.”

In 2014, most people say it means a person is a homosexual. But what if I say the sentence was written in 1914? Then it means John is happy. Same three words, 100 years apart, two totally different meanings.

Very few Catholics or other Christians know that the “magic potions” condemned in Revelation 9:21 are ancient contraceptive/abortifacient drugs. They think ancient forms of alcohol or marijuana are only being condemned because they’re reading the words from a 21st century context and not a first or second century context.

By all means, everyone read their Bibles. But its interpretation can be MUCH more difficult than people can imagine. I’ll never cut myself off from its interpretation by the Holy Spirit speaking through the Catholic Church.


133 posted on 07/11/2014 2:32:47 AM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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My goodness, I chuckle at all of this hand wringing about the bible.

Its about the message, folks. And the message is pretty consistent among the different translations.

Bible study is fine. The context is interesting. But you do not need even the slightest context to understand the message of peace and love.

So go on worrying about all of this other stuff. I will worry about loving my neighbor.

In short, you are making this way too hard. Its easy.


135 posted on 07/11/2014 3:33:23 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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Nowhere in the Bible will you find any discussion of the Bible or how to interpret the Bible. Both the New and Old Testament will make reference to “the Scriptures,” but this does not refer to the Bible as a whole, only the Old Testament.

This has got to be one of the most silliest arguments I have ever read. Even Peter referred to Paul's writings as scripture. As far as the Bible never discussing the Bible or interpreting the Bible, I would refer one to Psalms 119.

The Lord will teach us. That's why He spend so long writing His book.
136 posted on 07/11/2014 4:43:39 AM PDT by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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Only people who do not believe in Gods word or those who do not want to obey Gods word could make such a statement.

Mark 13
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Satan would love it if Jesus could be proved wrong, but it has been nearly 2000 years and it has not happened.

The religionists do not want people reading the scripture themselves because it takes away their pomp and wealth which is glory to them.


137 posted on 07/11/2014 4:51:56 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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Methinks this guy doesn’t know his jots from his tittles.


138 posted on 07/11/2014 5:14:56 AM PDT by BlueYonder
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