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The people in the pews are against, but the decision-makers are not.

The Book of Discipline still hasn't changed on either of those issues you cite.

I left the UMC last week because of what I saw at FL Annual Conference this year (and last). You don’t know the depths of the socialist evil that has crept into such a wonderful movement over the last 50 years until you’ve been to AC or GC. The seminary-trained clergy is overwhelmingly liberal. They have a heavy hand in choosing the lay delegates to AC. The delegates to AC choose the delegates to GC.

I was actually at the IN Annual Conference back at the tail-end of April. We have a thriving Confessing Movement presence. INAC is probably the most evangelical/conservative AC outside of the Southeastern Jurisdiction and I'm not really concerned about whether my clergy are political liberals/moderates. God doesn't endorse one political brand, after all.

Sorry to hear you left the fight.

>>The Book of Discipline still hasn’t changed on either of those issues you cite.

True, but it is only because of the Africans. At AC, all the talk was on Hamilton’s “Way Forward” (I wonder why he left off the traditional exclamation mark for the Progressive “Forward!”?). The emotionally-charged vote on abortion (a resolution to merely encourage an ultrasound) was my tipping point. We heard arguments on politics, social sciences, and junk science (i.e. “only 1 out of 10 women who see an ultrasound will choose to not abort.” Fine. What about the liberal mantra of “if it only saves one child”??). At one point, my pastor (a rare conservative Elder) leaned over and said, “Do you feel the Holy Spirit in this room?” I said “No”. He replied, “Me neither.”

>>I was actually at the IN Annual Conference back at the tail-end of April. We have a thriving Confessing Movement presence. INAC is probably the most evangelical/conservative AC outside of the Southeastern Jurisdiction and I’m not really concerned about whether my clergy are political liberals/moderates. God doesn’t endorse one political brand, after all.

We have a growing Confessing Movement in Florida. When the church splits, I may return to the newly-formed Evangelical Methodist Church (or whatever they call it).

>>Sorry to hear you left the fight.

I’m tired of fighting Progressives (until the actual shooting war starts). I just want to be away from them. Most of them don’t even know the entirety of what they are fighting for. They just pick one cause and make that their emotional hot button without understanding the full implications of what they want.

“and I’m not really concerned about whether my clergy are political liberals/moderates. God doesn’t endorse one political brand, after all.”

We humans seem to like an Aristotelian model with a sensible center and wings stretching away in two directions, an assumption being that the further away you get from the “sensible center” in either direction, the whackier you are.

I don’t buy it.

It’s one continuum leading from Satan on the left to God on the right. It’s not possible for a human to get far enough to the right, and God does disapprove of the left.

It’s verifiable, if you choose to observe.