are these the mortal sins? getting confused on the postings and the questions!
the mortal sins are the ones that cause a loss of one's salvation? am I understanding that correctly?
But what about all these “Self professed Christians” [Catholics, Orthodox, Protestant alike] who have been conformed to the world on the abortion issue. They are putting their souls in danger. So if one is committed to abortion agenda, they are really on the wrong way, one hopes that before they die, they will repent of their ways, so I am not condemning anyone to Hell [that is not my role], but they seem to have departed from Christ, he did not depart from them.
could the question be asked, were they really saved to begin with if one is ok with the abortion issue?...which, btw I am staunchly opposed to.
So how would they hypothetical person get back into Communion with Christ, well, in Catholic Theology a sincere examination of conscience and confession of ones sins would be the “normative means” since in the Sacrament, God fully provides the means of Grace to restore the sinner back into communion with him.
From a protestant perspective, I can only speculate, but I would hypothesize that someone who fell away would make a sincere act of repentance via some prayer.
I think that would be a fair way to evaluate it. I always think of 1 John 1:8-9 in these situations.
Catholics would call this a sincere Act of Contrition and would be what one would do if they did not have access to having a Priest hear their confession.
From the other side of the hill, I would ask why not go straight to Christ? based on 1 John 1:8-9 above.
Ok...just saw these. I can sleep late! Well lets look at a couple of areas. I think some things are pretty clear, Murder, mocking God, etc are pretty serious. I think those are clear cut.
are these the mortal sins? getting confused on the postings and the questions! the mortal sins are the ones that cause a loss of one’s salvation? am I understanding that correctly?
1) Mortal sins break ones communion with God. THus, to die in a state of mortal sin [i.e. un-repentant of it] is what does it. Of course, notice died in a state of mortal sin, one can return to God’s communion by repenting and asking humbly asking for forgiveness. I just want to be clear on that one. Mortal sins are not the unpardonable sin Christ is talking about in Matthew 12:31-32 and Mark 3:29.
Regarding the self professed Christians, etc......”could the question be asked, were they really saved to begin with if one is ok with the abortion issue?...which, btw I am staunchly opposed to.”
2) I think your answer is where Catholic Terminology and I think those Evangelical terminology [those you hold to OSAS] differ. For me to say that person was never really saved is something I can’t say, because in Catholic Theology, the Grace of Baptism left an indelible mark on the soul and Confirmation sealed them with the Holy Spirit. God did not turn from them they from God, so whether they were “truly saved” is not the way Catholic theology looks at it. They by virtue of Baptism are God’s adopted sons and daughters but they have thrown away the “first installment of their inheritance”. However, one can hope that somehow by God’s Grace, they return, i.e. like the Prodigal son who we can see from the Gospel was once with his Father and worked, then took his inheritance and lost it, but was found again, he was lost but was found.
From a protestant perspective, I can only speculate, but I would hypothesize that someone who fell away would make a sincere act of repentance via some prayer.
“I think that would be a fair way to evaluate it. I always think of 1 John 1:8-9 in these situations.”
3) Well Ok then, I was able to fairly represent the Protestant perspective. Thanks!
“From the other side of the hill, I would ask why not go straight to Christ? based on 1 John 1:8-9 above.”
4)Ok, here is where Catholic Theology is going to differ. Going to Confession in the Church and stating ones sins before the ordained Priest is going to Christ. The Priest is only making present Christ thru the Sacrament and Sacraments can only be celebrated in the Church, which Christ is the Head of and it is his Body. The Sacraments fully provide God’s Grace “objectively” and thus when one humbly is willing to state ones sins to the Church [which the Priest hears] he is confessing his Sins to Christ and it is Christ who forgives, the Priest only verbalizes that forgiveness so that we as human beings experience forgiveness the same way say the woman at the Well in JOhn’s Gospel experienced it, with Christ saying your sins are forgiven, go sin no more, etc.