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To: CTrent1564
ealgeone: My understanding of Sin is in line with the Great theologians of the early Church. Just a few examples. 2) Origen [185-254 AD] some 150 years before Saint Jerome develops a theology on “mortal vs venial sin” in his Homily on Levictus [244AD], most clearly in the discussion on the 7 fold repentance of sins. http://ldysinger.stjohnsem.edu/@texts/0250_origen/04_hom2_on_lev.htm

Ok....I read this from Origen, a couple of times, and I'll be honest...I don't agree with it. He does a lot of comparing the OT with the NT which is ok. But, it seems he is falling back on the OT system of sacrifices and trying to equate those somehow with what the NT church is to do.

It's almost as if he neglected the one time sacrifice of Christ for all of our sins.

I noticed also that he is taking some verses out of context and building ideas around them. This is always very dangerous to do as it often leads to error.

I'm going to try and read the other postings as well.

184 posted on 07/04/2014 7:18:37 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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ealgeone:

Ok, so you have problems with Origen. He is one of the earliest fathers to propose the multiple sense of Scriptures [The Literal and the Allegorical] and is really the first to do in-depth Scripture commentaries, and do serious theological study of the sacred text etc. While some of his theology seen in the context of later Dogmatic statements on the Trinity do not meet precise Trinitarian orthodoxy, he was a theologian and remained in communion with the Church and was faithful, it is just his attempts to give us a precise understanding of the Trinity were not what the Church went with, but he strove to be loyal to the Catholic faith and questions of his orthodoxy never arose while he was alive, only after his death. He is still a great scholar and theologian while some of his views are seen as heretical in hindsight, I do not see him as heretic as I see Tertullian, for example, who broke with the Catholic Church and joined the Montanist sect, which was indeed heretical.

Now, Saint Jerome, Saint Augustine and Saint Basil the Great all understand sin and have a doctrine of sin 100% consistent with Origen’s doctrine of sin. The orthodoxy of Jerome, Augustine and Basil the Great is not in question. If Origen were the only theologian positing the doctrine of sin distinguishing mortal vs. venial, it would raise some questions as to the orthodoxy of it, but it is so clearly taught by the early Church that to take a view opposite of the one that the Catholic Church holds is the anomaly or novel doctrine that is departing from the consensus of Apostolic Tradition.


190 posted on 07/04/2014 8:01:32 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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