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Pope Francis Meets Evangelical Delegation
TruNews ^ | June 27, 2014 | Rick Wiles

Posted on 06/27/2014 3:58:36 PM PDT by NYer

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To: CTrent1564
However, the basic teaching is there and how that Doctrine gets defined and expressed is up to the Magisterium of the Church.

Well!

Ain't THAT special!!

181 posted on 06/29/2014 8:12:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
Never heard of that one. Do you have a source?

Kinda...


Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

182 posted on 06/29/2014 8:14:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ebb tide
According to Christian tradition, the Law is holy, spiritual, and good, yet still imperfect. Like a tutor it shows what must be done, but does not of itself give the strength, the grace of the Spirit, to fulfill it. Because of sin, which it cannot remove, it remains a law of bondage. According to St. Paul, its special function is to denounce and disclose sin, which constitutes a "law of concupiscence" in the human heart. However, the Law remains the first stage on the way to the kingdom. It prepares and disposes the chosen people and each Christian for conversion and faith in the Savior God. It provides a teaching which endures for ever, like the Word of God.

The Old Law is a preparation for the Gospel. "The Law is a pedagogy and a prophecy of things to come." It prophesies and presages the work of liberation from sin which will be fulfilled in Christ: it provides the New Testament with images, "types," and symbols for expressing the life according to the Spirit. Finally, the Law is completed by the teaching of the sapiential books and the prophets which set its course toward the New Covenant and the Kingdom of heaven.

There were . . . under the regimen of the Old Covenant, people who possessed the charity and grace of the Holy Spirit and longed above all for the spiritual and eternal promises by which they were associated with the New Law. Conversely, there exist carnal men under the New Covenant still distanced from the perfection of the New Law: the fear of punishment and certain temporal promises have been necessary, even under the New Covenant, to incite them to virtuous works. In any case, even though the Old Law prescribed charity, it did not give the Holy Spirit, through whom "God's charity has been poured into our hearts."

I'm sure you will recognize the excerpts above as taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

183 posted on 06/29/2014 8:17:40 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Elsie
...that we might be justified by faith.
185 posted on 06/30/2014 2:21:54 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
You hateful BIGOT!!

You left out Sacraments and Rituals!

--Catholic_Wannabe_Dude(Hail Mary!)

186 posted on 06/30/2014 2:24:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Elsie:

I see you got my response removed. Nevertheless, I stand by it 100%.


187 posted on 06/30/2014 8:34:54 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: ebb tide
mm:Because the intent of the Law was to lead us to Christ, not to save us.

et: Never heard of that one. Do you have a source?

I'm not surprised. People like to teach that by keeping the Law we can be made right with God, but that was never the intent. It was God's way of dealing with sin until Christ came, in the fullness of time.

The Law revealed sin for what it was, foreshadowed Christ, and showed us our need for atonement

Galatians 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

http://biblehub.com/galatians/3-24.htm

All the book of Galatians deals with faith and the Law and the relationship. The problem is, one sin, and we're toast. So even if someone could keep all the Law perfectly except for ONE sin, they still wouldn't get into heaven.

James 2:10-11 10 For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become accountable for all of it. For he who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

God's requirement is perfection. Be ye holy as I am holy. ANY sin is enough to condemn someone, just as it did with Adam and Eve.

188 posted on 06/30/2014 9:53:51 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CTrent1564; Elsie

I’m sure the RM is perfectly capable of reading the RF postings himself.

If your comment was removed, it wasn’t Elsie’s doing. He didn’t write it and I doubt anyone was holding a gun to your head when you typed it.

Man up and take responsibility instead of blame shifting.


189 posted on 06/30/2014 9:56:13 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

metmom:

I agree, nobody held a gun to my head when I posted it. I freely posted it. You guys have insider information who the mods are, in fact, there was a theory than one of the active FR prots here was also the a mod.

I am not blaming anyone. I stand by the post I wrote. I had one of your fellow FR prots call me a “cultist” once and I responded to that person that he should go to his KKK rally. My post was removed his wasn’t. That is how the game is played here, I am well aware of it.


190 posted on 06/30/2014 10:07:42 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: trisham

after reading the FR religion forum, doesn’t that sound like an absolutely FOREIGN concept? LOL!


191 posted on 06/30/2014 10:12:58 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Unfortunately..


192 posted on 06/30/2014 10:26:36 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

it is a scandal.


193 posted on 06/30/2014 10:35:32 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Elsie

Not sure what you’re referring to?


194 posted on 06/30/2014 2:06:46 PM PDT by piusv
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To: ebb tide

Application of any law requires discretion. For example, if 6 year old shoots his brother out of anger, the killing is objectively wrong. However, the wiggle room is the child is considered to lack full knowledge of right and wrong.

One can come up with other countless examples where there is an objective evil, but is mitigated by some circumstance (wiggle room).

The challenge regarding remarriage and Holy Communion is whether any discretion exists, and to what degree it should be exercised.


195 posted on 06/30/2014 2:07:17 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Elsie

You think God sits there and looks at a clock? How long is a day in Heaven? For their to be time, there has to be location. Heaven is a spiritual dimension, not a physical location.

You can reason to the fact there is no time in Heaven.


196 posted on 06/30/2014 2:09:10 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Elsie

Not necessarily. It could have been a simple meeting where both sides agree they are pro-life, pro-family, and desiring to help the poor.


197 posted on 06/30/2014 2:10:08 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: piusv

Preach the Gospel daily, use words if necessary.

Trying to bring a person to a new way of thinking often requires several iterations of questioning. If this group of non-Catholics thought the Pope had horns and a tail, then the meeting would have demonstrated their preconceived notions were wrong. They would then be more willing to challenge other notions.

Not every conversion happens on the road to Damascus.


198 posted on 06/30/2014 2:13:18 PM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: SpirituTuo
Heaven is a spiritual dimension, not a physical location.

Where does Catholic teaching teach this?

199 posted on 06/30/2014 2:22:07 PM PDT by piusv
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To: CTrent1564
I see you got my response removed.

OH?

Which one?

200 posted on 06/30/2014 3:50:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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