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To: roamer_1
No, because he was the Great Prophet and Rabbi sent to show the people the true meaning of Torah - The one who must be listened to. And who still must be listened to. Do you think He keeps Torah now?

HE

is the true meaning of the Torah.

It all pointed to HIM. He was not just a "Great Prophet and Rabbi sent to show the people the true meaning of Torah".

The Torah was given to show the true meaning of the Messiah. You are putting the wrong thing in the place of preeminence. The Torah is not above the Messiah.

He is the embodiment and fulfillment of the Torah. It foreshadowed Him and He fulfilled it.

The Torah is not above Him. It leads to Him.

And no, I do not believe that Jesus still keeps the Torah now. The Torah was a copy of the heavenly truths; the heavenly reality, Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 9:15-24 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf.

855 posted on 07/03/2014 5:17:36 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
It all pointed to HIM. He was not just a "Great Prophet and Rabbi sent to show the people the true meaning of Torah". The Torah was given to show the true meaning of the Messiah. You are putting the wrong thing in the place of preeminence. The Torah is not above the Messiah. He is the embodiment and fulfillment of the Torah. It foreshadowed Him and He fulfilled it. The Torah is not above Him. It leads to Him.

Amen!!! How wondrous is our God and Savior!

881 posted on 07/03/2014 3:03:18 PM PDT by boatbums (Proud member of the Free Republic Bible Thumpers Brigade.)
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To: metmom
The Torah was given to show the true meaning of the Messiah. You are putting the wrong thing in the place of preeminence. The Torah is not above the Messiah.

Nowhere in the Brit HaHadashah does it instruct anyone to worship Yeshua HaMoshiach.

972 posted on 07/06/2014 3:45:52 PM PDT by Jeremiah Jr (EL CHaI)
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To: metmom
[roamer_1:]No, because he was the Great Prophet and Rabbi sent to show the people the true meaning of Torah - The one who must be listened to. And who still must be listened to. Do you think He keeps Torah now?

HE is the true meaning of the Torah.

Then don't you think He would look a lot like Torah? Speak things readily comparable to Torah? Show things that Torah follows? He did, but if you don't understand Torah, you cannot see that.

It all pointed to HIM.

Well, not ALL. There are subplots and texts too.

He was not just a "Great Prophet and Rabbi sent to show the people the true meaning of Torah".

To the people on the ground at the time, that is exactly what He would necessarily have to be.

The Torah was given to show the true meaning of the Messiah. You are putting the wrong thing in the place of preeminence. The Torah is not above the Messiah.

I am not - I try to keep Torah because I love YHWH and follow Yeshua...

He is the embodiment and fulfillment of the Torah. It foreshadowed Him and He fulfilled it.

But it is not fulfilled. There is much in the law and much in the prophets that is left undone. To leave them undone makes YHWH a liar. I flatly won't go there.

The Torah is not above Him. It leads to Him.

Correct - keeping Torah leads to Messiah. If we love him, we will keep his commandments. and one of his commandments was to do and to teach Torah. It cannot be more simple than that.

And no, I do not believe that Jesus still keeps the Torah now. The Torah was a copy of the heavenly truths; the heavenly reality, Jesus Christ.

Then you must discard the old testament and particularly the prophets... There WILL be a kingdom in Israel. Yeshua WILL sit upon the throne of David. And Torah WILL go forth from Jerusalem, and the whole world WILL keep it, to include the sabbath and holy days. The prophets declare it in no uncertain terms.

996 posted on 07/07/2014 12:44:37 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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