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To: metmom; boatbums; editor-surveyor; daniel1212; Greetings_Puny_Humans
You're putting the emphasis on following the wrong thing.

No, I am not.

It's JESUS we're supposed to follow. Put on Christ.

Exactly - One might better understand what that means, if one knows what being a disciple MEANS in the Hebrew sense.

Yes, Jesus kept the Torah, but that's not what makes us acceptable or right in God's eyes.

Yet, if we love YHWH, we will keep His commandments. And if we understand what it means to 'follow Messiah', we know that His example is what we are to emulate - That is what a disciple DOES - He emulates his master.

So what parts, exactly, of the Torah are we to keep? And why not the whole thing? Why just pick and choose which parts to obey?

Nope. All of it.

The NT message is to fulfill the law of love by which we will obey and fill God's plan for ourselves without even trying.

If we love YHWH we will keep his commandments, and his commandments are not grievous.

So tell us, just what happens to the believer if he DOESN'T obey the Torah?

That is above my paygrade.

Is he condemned? Go to hell? God's mad at him? Withholds blessings?

Well, there is that 'I never knew ye' thing... workers of lawlessness... But like I said, above my paygrade.

Why the emphasis on following the Torah?

Because it is the way of the House of YHWH. If we love him, we will keep his commandments... The emphasis is on loving YHWH, and following Messiah...

And how do you do it without the Temple and consecrated priesthood?

Yet again? That which you CAN'T do, is made moot. An Israelite who is too poor or too sick to go to the Temple is not doomed by it. If there is no Temple, there is no sacrifice. simple as that. And Jews have been keeping the Holy Days for centuries without it. And by the way, only three Holy Days 'require' a Temple, and only ONE of those requires a personal sacrifice.

How do you decide which parts you need to follow and which parts don't need to be followed and on what basis do you make that determination?

Some of it is nation based, some personal, some for men, some for priests, some for women, some for kids... That which you can do, DO.

821 posted on 07/02/2014 4:34:56 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1; metmom; daniel1212; boatbums
That is above my paygrade.

Therein lies the hypocrisy. You will not assert that following the laws of Moses and circumcision, at least in circumcising your children (from your absurd rendering of Jewish law), saves anyone, but at the same time, you will not say that a failure to do them damns anyone.

Thus your claim is actually exactly the same as the "believing sect of Pharisees," who required it for salvific purposes. It is not possible to refuse to affirm that something might potentially damn you, and yet still maintain it has nothing to do with your salvation.

822 posted on 07/02/2014 4:39:44 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: roamer_1; metmom; boatbums; editor-surveyor; daniel1212; Greetings_Puny_Humans
>>That is what a disciple DOES - He emulates his master.<<

He also learns what the actions and sacrifice of his master was meant to accomplish. He also listens to what the Holy Spirit which the master sent to inspire the apostles to write said. Something that those who attempt to put us back under the law entirely fail to understand.

875 posted on 07/03/2014 12:20:35 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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