To be fair to Roamer, each item listed is supported with citation of a Biblical passage. Those are the quotes I am concerned with. But it was sloppy of me to say it the way I did. Sorry about that.
Anyway, your pint about who is named in the contract is well taken. Moses’ contract names Israel after the flesh. I have a new and better contract, secured by the blood of Jesus in the New Covenant. So Roamer, if you want me to break that contract and go back to the one Paul said I was dead to, you need to do better than just tell me to go read it. I have read it. It doesn’t work anymore. There is no severability clause. If I go under that law, I’m obligated to the whole thing, top to bottom, even the impossible parts, like offering sacrifices at the temple. Why do you suppose God shut down the temple, knowing it would make Torah observance per Moses impossible? Because He had established a new contract, with better terms. So if you want me back under that old contract, the burden is on you to show me what obligations you think I should be under. If you’re not willing to put your cards all on the table and tell me what you think Torah is, then what am I to make of that?
Peace,
SR
np. but perhaps you might peruse those links and judge for yourself whether the passage indicated actually supports the 'saying' derived from it. No doubt many will be just fine, but others will make you go, "HUH?"
Anyway, your pint about who is named in the contract is well taken. Moses’ contract names Israel after the flesh.
Right... all twelve tribes... 10 of which are dispersed among us.
I have a new and better contract, secured by the blood of Jesus in the New Covenant.
Right... which ratifies within itself the Mosaic covenant, and every other covenant there before.
So Roamer, if you want me to break that contract and go back to the one Paul said I was dead to, you need to do better than just tell me to go read it.
No, I don't... All I can do is tell you - If you don't do anything about it, that's your business.
I have read it. It doesn’t work anymore. There is no severability clause. If I go under that law, I’m obligated to the whole thing, top to bottom, even the impossible parts, like offering sacrifices at the temple. Why do you suppose God shut down the temple, knowing it would make Torah observance per Moses impossible?
Why then have the Jews been able to keep Torah for the last two thousand years? And it is simply specious to claim that you or I have to keep the portions of Torah that are meant for priests, or government... According to what you seem to be saying, YOU as that shopkeeper MUST stone that murderer, regardless of any other thing, because the Torah demands it - That would also mean that YOU must provide his trial too... It is simply absurd, and no right reading of Torah would demand such. But, knock yourself out...
Because He had established a new contract, with better terms. So if you want me back under that old contract, the burden is on you to show me what obligations you think I should be under. If you’re not willing to put your cards all on the table and tell me what you think Torah is, then what am I to make of that?
I have already told you - ALL of Torah is Torah. Whatever of it is yours to do, that DO.