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To: verga
Would it make you feel better if instead of "one and done" I had said "Once save always saved" or "eternal security"?

You said my gospel was "one and done" and now you want to hedge a little? Interesting....do you imagine I have no Scripture to back up what I said?

God will not cast out His children: All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. (John 6:37)

He will not LOSE a one: "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:39,40)

He will not take the Holy Spirit from those He has sealed: In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory. (Ephesians 1:13,14)

Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. (Ephesians 4:30)

So, yeah, I proclaim with grateful joy that we are saved by grace through faith and not by our works and that is what gives us eternal security. Our faith and hope is in HIM and not in ourselves. He WANTS us to have this assurance:

Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, and since we have a great priest over the house of God, let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. (Hebrews 10:19-25)

1,209 posted on 07/12/2014 8:32:59 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
You said my gospel was "one and done" and now you want to hedge a little? Interesting....do you imagine I have no Scripture to back up what I said?

I fully support you quoting me, quite a bit of the things I write bear repeating. What I don't support is you MISquoting me. I go out of my way to cut and paste the things I respond to. That way there is no misunderstanding as to exactly what I am responding to. Please have the consideration to do the same.

you wroteYou said my gospel was "one and done" and now you want to hedge a little? Interesting....do you imagine I have no Scripture to back up what I said?

That is not what I wrote, not even close. My post 1,167 For the record my only contention was that Boatbums apparent "one and done" theology was off base.

Now you have responded that you do believe in "eternal security" which is also called "Once saved always saved". So that takes the term "apparent" off the table. I included it since I was pretty sure that is what you were getting at but did not want to be accused of "mind reading"

Second you are aware that the word "Theology", encompasses much more than the word "gospel".

Theology- from dictionary.com

the·ol·o·gy [thee-ol-uh-jee] noun, plural the·ol·o·gies.

1. the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God's attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.

2. a particular form, system, branch, or course of this study.

On the other hand Gospel literally means "Good News"

As far as your scriptural quotations go Good job, incomplete but good job.

(I will conveniently ignore that the father did require work from both of the sons, but mention it only in passing)

The youngest son took his inheritance and squandered it. He had his "salvation" and threw it away. Now may protestants say that this parable proves OSAS. I say it completely disproves it. No one forced the son to return. No one held a gun to his head, he di it of his own "free will".

He could have stayed with the farmer slopping the hogs, he could have returned to the city and took up a life of begging. He could have traveled to a different country and did a number of other things.

And here is the important issue, at any point in the parable he could have died, and att he point of death what would his state have been?

Here is a hint: He sure as heck would not have been "saved", he would have been lost.

1,224 posted on 07/13/2014 5:15:02 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: boatbums
So, yeah, I proclaim with grateful joy that we are saved by grace through faith and not by our works and that is what gives us eternal security.

Seems that that is beyond the comprehension of so many.

It goes to show who the people who aren't sure of their salvation are trusting.

If you're trusting God completely, there is no uncertainty.

1,225 posted on 07/13/2014 5:40:50 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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