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To: Iscool
So you cherry picked a bunch of verses that have no context within themselves or with each other...So what???

It shows the ex-prot in me is showing through, but if someone with an IQ more than double digits looked at them in context they would notice a pattern.

1,102 posted on 07/10/2014 8:58:29 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: verga; Iscool
This one, at a minimum, does not fit the alleged pattern:

2Co 11:15 It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also fashion themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works.

It doesn't fit because Paul is here talking about false apostles, ministers of Satan, and of course they have no redemption and are totally on their own in terms of works justification. Not a good place to be, and certainly not reflective of the Christian's position of being in a state of pardon thanks to the death and resurrection of Jesus.

As for the Revelation 20 passages, those being judged all missed the first resurrection, so they are all without Christ. What else can they be judged on but their works?

The other passages are indicative of what we already know and agree upon, that righteousness matters in the life of a believer, and there is an accounting for how we live our lives after we receive our legal justification via the death of Christ:

1Co 3:11-15 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. (12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; (13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. (14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. (15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Now this is common knowledge amongst conservative Baptists and many other Bible-based groups. These will almost uniformly hold to one form or another of "perseverance of the saints," the idea that all true believers are changed persons, who will be inclined by their new nature to produce good works. So we have a legitimate expectation of salvation based on what Christ has done to expiate all our sins. But we also continue to be imperfect, and some will err more than others, and will lose reward for it. Yet they will be saved "as by fire," as Paul puts it.

So your "pattern" breaks down, which highlights the importance of context context context. Don't leave home without it. Or something like that. :)

Peace,

SR

1,105 posted on 07/10/2014 9:53:02 PM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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