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To: metmom
Everything we need to come to Christ for salvation is found in Scripture.

Our Lord Himself wrote nothing. He commanded the Apostles not to write but to teach and preach: "Going, therefore, teach all nations" and "preach the Gospel to every creature." Christ's disciples and the Christians were commanded to hear the Church, not to read the still nonexistent or at best incomplete New Testament Scriptures: "He who hears you, hears Me."

The teaching Church was in existence long before a single line of the New Testament was written. The Apostles evangelized different peoples, not by presenting to them a copy of the New Testament which did not as yet exist, but by preaching the Gospel, the oral message of Christ to them. Thousands of men became Christians and adhered to the whole truth of God before they saw or read a single book of the New Testament.

Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?

Paul illustrated what tradition is: "For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures. . . . Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed" (1 Cor. 15:3,11). The apostle praised those who followed Tradition: "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you" (1 Cor. 11:2).

The first Christians "devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching" (Acts 2:42) long before there was a New Testament. From the very beginning, the fullness of Christian teaching was found in the Church as the living embodiment of Christ, not in a . The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative. Paul himself gives a quotation from Jesus that was handed down orally to him: "It is more blessed to give than to receive" (Acts 20:35). book

This saying is not recorded in the Gospels and must have been passed on to Paul. , even the Gospels themselves are oral tradition which has been written down (Luke 1:1–4). What’s more, Paul does not quote Jesus only. He also quotes from early Christian hymns, as in Ephesians 5:14. These and other things have been given to Christians "through the Lord Jesus" (1 Thess. 4:2).

383 posted on 06/25/2014 6:51:29 AM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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To: NYer
Our Lord Himself wrote nothing.

Except for the Ten Commandments.

He commanded the Apostles not to write but to teach and preach: "Going, therefore, teach all nations" and "preach the Gospel to every creature." Christ's disciples and the Christians were commanded to hear the Church, not to read the still nonexistent or at best incomplete New Testament Scriptures: "He who hears you, hears Me."

So you're denying the Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead now?

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.

It's the word of God which is powerful and sharper than any double edged sword. Preaching without the Word is just talking and does not accomplish anything. It's the Word of God, which Catholics dis and diminish, that is powerful.

The teaching Church was in existence long before a single line of the New Testament was written. The Apostles evangelized different peoples, not by presenting to them a copy of the New Testament which did not as yet exist, but by preaching the Gospel, the oral message of Christ to them. Thousands of men became Christians and adhered to the whole truth of God before they saw or read a single book of the New Testament.

So what? They had the OT, which testified about Jesus. Someone could come to faith in Jesus through the OT as it pointed to Him. That was how they were able to recognize the Messiah when He came. The OT was all about Jesus.

The teaching Church, with its oral, apostolic tradition, was authoritative.

I'll try asking this again, since no one has answered it yet....

Just what are those traditions Paul was referring to that he handed down that we are to keep that were not included in Scripture?

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. (not through the hearing of *sacred tradition*)

393 posted on 06/25/2014 2:15:05 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: NYer; metmom

You didn’t answer her question. Where are those traditions recorded to be assured they have been handed down accurately other than what is found in scripture?


404 posted on 06/25/2014 5:37:33 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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