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To: PapaNew

Your problem is that you continue to insist that because we won’t know when the Second Coming of Christ will be, that somehow is evidence of a “rapture”.

Because I have scripturally addressed every other alleged reference to rapture, you now hang on this thin thread as though there is only one understanding of the meaning of “For God hath not appointed us to wrath”.

In this reference you will find the term “trial” where you have wrath.

There are many Bible verses that show that Christ permits his Church to suffer persecution and tribulation. In John 17:15 Christ says, “I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one”. John 16:33 says, “In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

John 15:19 says that Christians have been chosen “out of the world,” but it does not say that Christians will be ‘taken’ out of the world, prior to a time of persecution.
The Church will endure persecutions and tribulations and it will come through them purified.


117 posted on 06/16/2014 5:06:00 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: G Larry
you continue to insist that because we won’t know when the Second Coming of Christ will be, that somehow is evidence of a “rapture”.

Never said that.

Because I have scripturally addressed every other alleged reference to rapture, you now hang on this thin thread as though there is only one understanding of the meaning of “For God hath not appointed us to wrath”.

You most certainly have not addressed nor put together ANY reasoned, Biblically-based argument reconciling EITHER of the two basic and fundamental problems I've presented to you.

There are many Bible verses that show that Christ permits his Church to suffer persecution and tribulation. In John 17:15 Christ says, “I do not pray that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil one”. John 16:33 says, “In the world you have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.”

Yes but your fatal flaw is failing to distinguish between the trials God allows his people for their good versus the trials and troubles God will unleash upon the world in judgement and wrath, which he will keep his people from (Rev 3:10).

All who have accepted Christ were judged 2000 years ago on the cross of Christ. There is no more judgement or wrath remaining for God's people because of Christ's perfect sacrifice on the cross. There is, however, fearful and dark judgement and wrath coming for the world that has refused the free gift of forgiveness and salvation through Jesus Christ. God will keep his people from the coming trail of God's wrath and judgement because it serves no purpose for his forgiven people (Rev 3:10).

Again, there are NO Biblical verses that show that Christ permits his church to suffer his wrath, but expressly contrariwise, that Christ has NOT appointed us to "the wrath to come" (1 Thess 1:10).

Your problems reconciling scripture regarding Jesus coming as "a thief in the night" (1 Thess 5:2) and our not being appointed to his wrath (1 Thess 5:9) remain unresolved my FRiend.

I pray you will allow the Lord to help you. If not, we'll talk about it on the way up.

118 posted on 06/16/2014 8:15:02 AM PDT by PapaNew
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