Posted on 06/08/2014 1:59:17 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
Show that it's NEEDED.
Seem?
I'd bet there are LOTS more that do not!
You make kitty sad...
She WAS?
How special; other than being called 'blessed'?
There ya go; Big Boy!
Good one!!
Let's try some easy math:
There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
If merely 1% of them 'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
Purty good fer someone NOT 'devine'!
Kitty now feeling better...
You are assuming that whether something is in Scripture, or what it says, it the basis for the veracity of RC teaching, but it is not. Rather, it is based upon the presumed assured infallibility of Rome, which autocratically defines what the past really means.
“The living magisterium, therefore, makes extensive use of documents of the past, but it does so while judging and interpreting, gladly finding in them its present thought, but likewise, when needful , distinguishing its present thought from what is traditional only in appearance . It is revealed truth always living in the mind of the Church, or, if it is preferred, the present thought of the Church in continuity with her traditional thought, which is for it the final criterion , according to which the living magisterium adopts as true or rejects as false the often obscure and confused formulas which occur in the monuments of the past. Thus are explained both her respect for the writings of the Fathers of the Church and her supreme independence towards those writings –she judges them more than she is judged by them.” — Catholic Encyclopedia: “Tradition and Living Magisterium” http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15006b.htm
And based upon the premise that she is infallible, as she has infallibly defined herself to be, then she asserts that God is the author of her doctrine, and thus she states that not Scripture but,
Catholic doctrine, as authoritatively proposed by the Church, should be held as the supreme law; for, seeing that the same God is the author both of the Sacred Books and of the doctrine committed to the Church, it is clearly impossible that any teaching can by legitimate means be extracted from the former, which shall in any respect be at variance with the latter. Hence it follows that all interpretation is foolish and false which...is opposed to the doctrine of the Church(Providentissimus Deus;;
He who believes the dogmas of the Church only because he has reasoned them out of History, is scarcely a Catholic...in all cases the immediate motive in the mind of a Catholic for his reception of them is, not that they are proved to him by Reason or by History, but because Revelation has declared them by means of that high ecclesiastical Magisterium which is their legitimate exponent.” — John Henry Newman, “A Letter Addressed to the Duke of Norfolk on Occasion of Mr. Gladstone's Recent Expostulation.” 8. The Vatican Council lhttp://www.newmanreader.org/works/anglicans/volume2/gladstone/section8.html
How can he consistently seek after truth when he is convinced that he holds it? Who else can teach him religious truth when he believes that an infallible Church gives him God's word and interprets it in the true and only sense? — (John H. Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals, Chapters XIX, XXIII. the consistent believer (1904); Nihil Obstat. Remy Lafort, Censor Librorum. Imprimatur, John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York )
No it does not. Mary in no way contributed to His Godhood. She only contributed to His humanity. Now if you loosely define “motherhood” as to include a surrogate but that’s not what Catholics intend as I understand it. The term “mother of god” as Catholics seem to infer is derived from paganism.
Catholics also have another problem. If the Godhood and manhood of Christ were not also separate then the sinless nature of Christ could simply be attributed to His Godhood and there would have been no “sinless man”.
Now, about that accusation against boatbums. Let's see the post.
No, Cronos, you said, "Your soul exists before birth, it is not created by your mother." To which I asked if you meant there is a finite collection of preexisting souls waiting to be sent to human bodies. Let's keep the story straight. IS this what you believe?
I asked you to clarify what you said, and you STILL haven't done that, only taking pot shots at Metmom and me for "putting words in other people's mouths and spin" as YOU did. There WAS no "idle incorrect speculation", only an honest query as to your views. What error is evident is your inability to defend what sounds like an heretical statement (preexistence was condemned as heresy in the Second Council of Constantinople in AD 553). Rather than continue to deflect onto others, if you misspoke, admit it, and we can move on, if you BELIEVE that souls do exist before birth - as your post said - then clarify and defend it. After all, that IS the best way to understand each other.
I fail to see how someone in so much denial of what they said can be honest with God and confess their sins.
I like your tagline.....
I’ve seen enough of it from Catholics that my determination would be not with honesty.
Talk about license to conjecture!
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