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On a “fourth person of the Holy Trinity,” back in 2006 I was fairly new in really knowing the Lord, which came mostly from reading the whole Bible, and I was open to anything that seemed to come from Bible-believing Christians. So I watched EWTN for a few years. And at the close of one program, a host actually referred to “the mother, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit” (possibly ordered the Father before mother, though.”) I don’t remember anything else but it being said (and I heard it again in a repeat presentation so I know for sure it was said) . I just wasn’t wary of the Catholic Church, then, so I noted it with disapproval but didn’t consider it deeply like I started to after some years of encountering disturbing things coming out of the Catholic Church.


105 posted on 06/06/2014 9:19:04 PM PDT by Faith Presses On
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EWTN has even less authority than the pope


107 posted on 06/06/2014 9:23:10 PM PDT by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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You are right. Some “Christians” are actually calling God the father, the mother, the son and the Holy Spirit these days. I ran across it a couple days ago on a blog.

It is insane.


109 posted on 06/06/2014 9:25:05 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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http://www.alittleleaven.com/2014/06/god-our-mother.html

It’s crazy


110 posted on 06/06/2014 9:29:26 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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On a “fourth person of the Holy Trinity,”

Note that many Catholic Marian attributions much parallel even that of Christ:

For in the the Catholic quest to almost deify Mary, it is taught by Catholics*,

Mary was a holy, virtuous instrument of God, but of whom Scripture says relatively little, while holy fear ought to restrain ascribing positions, honor, glory and powers to a mortal that God has not revealed as given to them, and or are only revealed as being possessed by God Himself. But like as the Israelites made an instrument of God an object of worship, (Num. 21:8,9; 2Kg. 18:4) Catholics have magnified Mary far beyond what is written and warranted and even allowed, based on what is in Scripture.

In addition, although (technically) Mary is not to be worshiped in the same sense that God is worshiped, yet the distinctions between devotion to Mary and the worship of God are quite fine, and much due to the psychological appeal of a heavenly mother (especially among those for whom Scripture is not supreme), then the historical practice of Catholics has been to exalt Mary above that which is written. As the Catholic Encyclopedia states, "By the sixteenth century, as evidenced by the spiritual struggles of the Reformers, the image of Mary had largely eclipsed the centrality of Jesus Christ in the life of believers." (Robert C. Broderick, ed., The Catholic Encyclopedia, revised and updated; NY: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 1987, pp.32,33)

The practice of praying to departed saints and Mary was one that developed, helped by pagan influences, for Scripture provides no example of any believer praying to anyone in Heaven by the Lord, and reveals that doing otherwise was a practice of pagans, including to the “Queen of Heaven.” (Jer. 44:17,18,19,25). The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that a further reinforcement of Marian devotion, “was derived from the cult of the angels, which, while pre-Christian in its origin, was heartily embraced by the faithful of the sub-Apostolic age. It seems to have been only as a sequel of some such development that men turned to implore the intercession of the Blessed Virgin. This at least is the common opinion among scholars, though it would perhaps be dangerous to speak too positively. Evidence regarding the popular practice of the early centuries is almost entirely lacking...,” (Catholic Encyclopedia > Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary) Yet, as expected, it imagines this practice came from the apostles and NT church, but which never exampled or instructed it, and instead showed that the believer has immediate access to God in the Divine Christ, (Heb. 10:19), who is the all sufficient and immediate intercessor between God (the Father) and man. (Heb. 2:17,18; 4:15,16) To the glory of God

191 posted on 06/07/2014 5:34:26 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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