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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry. Torture = torment

Regarding Revelation 20:10, I have to keep saying this: It’s Revelation. It is a book of allegory and thick symbolism. If it is supported by other scripture, great, but even then it must be taken in context of the verse, the book and the bible. When I can point out dozens of places that say the fate of the lost is death, destruction, perish, etc. But you have to keep going back to Revelation 20:10, don’t you see the issue here?

The point of revelation 20:10 is that they are gone. It is finished. They are not coming back.

And on a side note: If I throw a lead fishing weight and a diamond into a pan and turn up the heat, the diamond will do nothing, while the fishing weight will melt. As the diamond and lead weight respond differently to the burner on my stove, an Angel and a temporarily resurrected human may respond differently to a “lake of fire”.

And the lake of fire is to the second death what lampstands are to the seven churches.


242 posted on 06/05/2014 2:14:45 PM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

RE: Sorry. Torture = torment

OK, if that’s how you understand it, let’s concede that it is for the meantime.

How does that help us eliminate it? It doesn’t simply because IT IS THE WORD USED...

RE: Regarding Revelation 20:10, I have to keep saying this: It’s Revelation. It is a book of allegory and thick symbolism. If it is supported by other scripture, great, but even then it must be taken in context of the verse, the book and the bible. When I can point out dozens of places that say the fate of the lost is death, destruction, perish, etc. But you have to keep going back to Revelation 20:10, don’t you see the issue here?

Sorry, you cannot simply take all the other verses of the Bible and then IGNORE what Revelation teaches. You have to read what the Bible teaches AS A WHOLE.

And even if we grant that Revelation is a book of symbolism, you simply cannot METAPHORIZE this verse out of existence to make it mean something the words don’t mean.

FOREVER cannot be symbolized to mean something else.

TORMENT cannot be symbolized to make it mean something else ( only the understanding of what the degree of what torment is can be fluid, but the word torment is still the common understanding of the word ).

RE: Your analogy of the fishing weight and the diamond under fire.

Unfortunately, Revelations 14 does not give us hope that a human soul is like a fishing rod. It looks like it is more like a DIAMOND.

It says, Those who worship the beast will be tormented and will have no rest, day and night.... and their torment is forever and ever.

Even if Revelations is a book of symbolism, it is hard to make the words — “no rest” a symbol. Unless you want to change the meaning of the words into something we don’t recognize at all.


243 posted on 06/05/2014 3:06:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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