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To: PieterCasparzen

Oh, brother. The two valid reasons for divorce are adultery and abandonment !
Not really.

Jesus said that if you leave her for reasons other than adultery, you make an adulterer of her. He’s not saying it’s ok because of adultery. Rather, he’s saying you can’t make her an adulterer because she already made herself one.


153 posted on 06/04/2014 10:19:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

OFF TOPIC!!


156 posted on 06/04/2014 10:22:11 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: cuban leaf
Matthew 5:32 "But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery."

To help in understanding this verse: this means that if a person fornicates while married, their spouse can divorce them.

This is a real, real good document to start with, and it has Scripture proof texts you can click on:

http://www.reformed.org/documents/wcf_with_proofs/

If I dream things up in my mind, if I "hear voices telling me things", if I get "feelings" about what's right, etc., none of that is factual or true unless it's also proved when one proves it according to God's revealed Law Word, the Bible.

If I "interpret" meanings that are not in Scripture into my reading of Scripture, I'm going off the straight and narrow path.

The early Americans that first came here to avoid persecution in Europe, the Pilgrims, are well worth studying.

The Bible states in many places that we are not to tolerate gross habitual sin in the midst of our congregations.

That is why there used to be Church discipline, that now is practiced only by a relatively small remnant of Churches.

The reason is clear:

Galatians 5:9 "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump."

leaven representing sin; if a congregation allows gross habitual sin, the whole thing becomes a pit of sin. The Methodist Church I attended as a boy had a lesbian choir director and a wealthy married congregant who were caught together one day. Nothing was done. The Methodist Church is completely apostate. They're now just an arm of globalism, and any sins you commit will be perfectly fine with them. If you like you can say you're sorry, but hey, man, it's cool. We be groovy, man.

In a good Reformed Church, it's the most amazing thing, where they get their doctrine from on Church discipline. I mean, really, what a novel idea. It comes from the Bible ! Wow ! Who'da thunk it ! Actually using the Bible to be the rule and guide in faith and life. Instead of just listen'n to some pop tart on TV who's tellin' us God wants us to prosper ! And smile ! Wee hee !

Then there's the big fear that the Church will micromanage your life if they have Church discipline, which is not true at all if the discipline is Scriptural. In fact, good Reformed Churches are much more respectful of the family than Churches who skip Church discipline.

Finally, we get to arminian Churches like the Methodists who make up their own sins, like drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco at all. How many times have I heard "she's a good Christian, doesn't drink or smoke at all" - which, of course, is completely unbiblical. So we can be lesbian and commit adultery and fornicate, as long as we don't have a glass of wine.

I wonder sometimes just how crazy and unbiblical things have to be for everyone to actually recognize a false teaching. I guess there's no limit to what people will fall for if they just keep "evolving" their understanding of Scripture.

Judgemental. Yes ! The Bible tells the Christian that they must discern what other people are about. Are they evil, do they do evil things ? Tell them to repent. Deny them the Lord's table if they still refuse. If they still refuse, separate from them, get them out of your congregation. Once I can discern people's actions and words, that tells me when I'm with them whether I need to be prepared as I would be with an unbeliever - what can I expect from them, what precautions do I need to take. Sometimes this can be VERY important and affect long-time friendships, but it must be done if we put Christ over our earthly former buddies who are gone to the dogs.

Sorry for the rant !
176 posted on 06/04/2014 10:56:42 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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