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To: PhilipFreneau

Try this.

Focus on your thinking,...the object of your thinking, when in fellowship with Christ and what He Provided at the Cross,...compared to say,...when you think about a sin you’ve committed before you’ve confessed it to God through faith in what Christ provided.

Now consider how we think, if we are out of fellowship, in the context of the verses you posted. They don’t point to loss of salvation, rather they point out how we should be thinking and when we aren’t how God is thinking.

IMHO, the most challenging task for God was to communicate to fallen man, who lacked the faculty to spiritually perceive with a regenerated human spirit. Think about it. How do we evangelize to those who have no clue or perception what the spirit means. They have no means to identify the object in their thinking. The natural tendency is to treat anything spiritual as foolishness.

The sealed believers are different. They have a regenerated spirit. We can still sin and fall out of fellowship. God recognizes this and realizes we have volition which He made in us. When we step away from Him by our volition, it’s something He doesn’t control because He made that volition for us to exercise. Even though He recognizes we fall away, and He remains in His integrity, sound in His nature, our actions thereby cause him Grief. That’s why when we sin or fall out of fellowship, it is also called, “Grieving the Holy Spirit”.

So many arguments appealing to guilt/obedience, simply remain out of fellowship with His Plan. We do feel guilty when we recognize we have fallen out of fellowship, but that is part of why He has provided a mechanism for post-salvation sin to be forgiven, namely through faith in what Christ Provided on the Cross and our confession of it to Him. He returns us to fellowship because He loves us.


34 posted on 05/27/2014 2:03:14 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

His law is “written on the hearts” of men.

People internally know when they’re opposing God.

Some tell themselves they’re not and perhaps convince themselves, sort of.

Some people will hide their sin and lie to cover up. “What I’m doing is ok”. “I didn’t do that”.

Some unsaved profess Christ - they are liars, wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Some people revel their sin and do not cover it up.

On the other hand,

One who is saved feels an overpowering feeling of needing to get right with God; to repent. They will come to be repulsed by their own sin, and thus come back to God repenting.

Of course, those who are saved will see progressive sanctification in their lives.

They’ll want to study the Word of God, they’ll want to be obedient to Christ. They’ll have trials and setbacks, but they’ll persevere through to the end in their lives.

They’ll realize and admit that it’s nothing for them to boast of, what they’ve done and said well in their life, they give the glory to God for these things.


38 posted on 05/27/2014 2:24:48 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Cvengr
Those are all good points, and I certainly believe this:

    "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (Jas 5:16 KJV)

        "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1Jn 1:9 KJV)

But I am unable to resolve the meaning of verses like Hebrews 6:4-6:

        "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame." (Heb 6:4-6 KJV)

I was hoping someone could take that verse and, using the scriptures, explain how it doesn't apply to us.

Philip

50 posted on 05/27/2014 7:32:31 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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