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Dear Woman Priest, You’re Excommunicated…Love, Bishop Paprocki
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| 5/21/2014
| JOHN WHITE
Posted on 05/22/2014 3:22:11 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: tbpiper
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posted on
05/22/2014 6:00:39 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(You say I'm insane ... I say you're afraid.)
To: tbpiper
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posted on
05/22/2014 6:10:02 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: markomalley
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posted on
05/22/2014 6:11:00 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: tbpiper
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posted on
05/22/2014 6:14:25 AM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: cloudmountain
Well, hang on...
The attending priest (as all Catholic clergy are priests, as you probably know)
Deacons are also clergy, according to the definition of "clergy" used by the Catholic Church. It's not even quite true that all Catholic priests are clerics... since a priest can never stop existing as a priest, but he can be removed from the clerical state for serious crimes, etc.
used to be call the "Devil's Advocate."
"Devil's Advocate" refers to the person appointed to argue against the canonisation (or beatification) of a proposed Saint; that's another matter.
Now he has a fancier name that I can't remember.
Pope John Paul II erased the office of "devil's advocate" altogether, sometime in the 1980's (I think.)
But, I"m getting old.
:) No worries... it practically takes a lawyer to sort out some of this stuff!
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posted on
05/22/2014 6:21:07 AM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: paladinan
Thanks for clarifying. I knew all of these points except the abolishment of the office by the pope.
To: Tax-chick
latae sententiae Isn't that something you get at Starbucks?
To: super7man
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posted on
05/22/2014 7:05:35 AM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(You say I'm insane ... I say you're afraid.)
To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Cant believe this sect emerged from the Puritans, the driving force behind the merchant and manufacturing classes who fought against the tyranny of Charles I.The neo-Confederates claim that Puritanism is responsible for contemporary liberalism (as did their Confederate forebears), and plenty of "palaeoconservatives" think the Left is a front for old Boston money.
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posted on
05/22/2014 7:19:59 AM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
To: verga
Unitarians are a Marxist sect that invite people to speak like sandanista guerrillas. An old college acquaintance who leans way left, brags about how his Religion is out to take out capitalism.
It depends on the "congregation" and the minister. I was in the seminary with one of their ministers and he was uber conservative. there were several of us that had dinner together several times a week and he was always one of the strongest conservative voices.
Robert H. W. Welch Jr., the founder of the John Birch Society, was a Unitarian. He was also an evolutionist and, according to at least one former JBS author, opposed to the death penalty.
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posted on
05/22/2014 7:23:20 AM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
To: ThomasMore
Sin separates us from God yes and ruptures our communion with the Church. But the Church is the hospital for sinners to use the language of Pope Francis. So when we sin, we are informally excommunicating ourselves. Formal public excommunications are the result of heresy and attacking the Doctrine of the Church, which is what this woman did, what she is doing is mocking the Doctrine and setting up her own false religious system. That is heretical and can lead people away from the true Faith. In is in those situations that a formal excommunication is issued. Now, are there cases that warrant it in addition to this one, yes, this nun Sr. Jeane Gramerick[spelling], who use to run this group called new ways Ministry, and she was censored for that, recently stated Obama should use taxpayer money to pay for oversea abortions. That is a challenge to the Doctrine of the Catholic Church. In my view, and I am no theologian or trained canon lawyer, that could/should warrant excommunication unless she publicly recants.
To: kearnyirish2
Im not sure, but there are other acts that incur automatic excommunication as well (such as participation in an abortion). There is a process by which people must be re-instated, so to speak.My understanding is that the sin of abortion is reserved to the local Bishop, if a priest hears it in confession he will ask the woman to return after he has gotten leave from the bishop to absolve. The procedure varies by diocese.
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posted on
05/22/2014 8:49:52 AM PDT
by
pbear8
(the Lord is my light and my salvation)
To: paladinan
**(as all Catholic clergy are priests, as you probably know)**
Clergy are deacons, priests and bishops.
Deacons are not priests.
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posted on
05/22/2014 9:03:34 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
That is what I was waiting for.
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posted on
05/22/2014 9:03:41 AM PDT
by
verga
(Conservative, leaning libertatrian)
To: super7man
Latae sententiae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latae_sententiae
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posted on
05/22/2014 9:06:23 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
Right. The quote to which you replied was from cloudmountain; I quoted it in order to offer the correction at
this post (#25).
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posted on
05/22/2014 9:50:02 AM PDT
by
paladinan
(Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
To: Tax-chick
LOL!
An excommunicated latte?
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posted on
05/22/2014 10:16:42 AM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
I’ve forgotten what “sententious” means, but it looks a little like “sedentary.”
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posted on
05/22/2014 12:26:56 PM PDT
by
Tax-chick
(You say I'm insane ... I say you're afraid.)
To: Zionist Conspirator
I suppose it makes sense that things got this way. The Puritans where all about reading and interpreting the Bible for yourself. The trouble with that, as Catholics (Roman and Anglo) often maintained is that without interpretation by properly trained, disciplined and accredited clergy, laymen will eventually twist and pervert the scripture to make it support anything they want it to based on whatever is fashionable at the time...
To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I suppose it makes sense that things got this way. The Puritans where all about reading and interpreting the Bible for yourself. The trouble with that, as Catholics (Roman and Anglo) often maintained is that without interpretation by properly trained, disciplined and accredited clergy, laymen will eventually twist and pervert the scripture to make it support anything they want it to based on whatever is fashionable at the time...And yet the clergy of the ancient hierarchical churches are now far, far, FAR to the Left of Primitive Baptists.
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posted on
05/22/2014 2:53:23 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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