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To: exDemMom; 2ndDivisionVet
I have to agree with Pat Robertson here: young earth creationism makes Christians look really bad. God actually did *not* lie to us by filling the physical universe with evidence of great age and planting evidence that life not only evolved in the past but continues to evolve. Since God is not a liar, it is clear: the Bible is a moral code, not a scientific document.

I agree with Robertson as to the earth being more than 6000 years old...and the bible actually allows for it!

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

In verse 2 the words "without form" and void" are a a couple of hebrew words tohu and bohu. The grammar leaves open that it could be translated "The earth became without form and void".

In other words, there was a earth that existed prior to this and something caused it become desolate.

There's similar wording in Jeremiah:

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.

The same words tohu and bohu are used and this is describing the state of the world in a warning to Israel if they don't repent.

Also there are events described in the bible that must take place before man was created....such as the fall of Satan and the other third of the angels. Since Satan was in the garden before Adam and Eve sinned he must have fallen at some point before then.

29 posted on 05/16/2014 5:48:34 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I have to agree with Pat Robertson here: young earth creationism makes Christians look really bad. God actually did *not* lie to us by filling the physical universe with evidence of great age and planting evidence that life not only evolved in the past but continues to evolve. Since God is not a liar, it is clear: the Bible is a moral code, not a scientific document. I agree with Robertson as to the earth being more than 6000 years old...and the bible actually allows for it! Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. In verse 2 the words "without form" and void" are a a couple of hebrew words tohu and bohu. The grammar leaves open that it could be translated "The earth became without form and void". In other words, there was a earth that existed prior to this and something caused it become desolate. There's similar wording in Jeremiah: Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light. The same words tohu and bohu are used and this is describing the state of the world in a warning to Israel if they don't repent. Also there are events described in the bible that must take place before man was created....such as the fall of Satan and the other third of the angels. Since Satan was in the garden before Adam and Eve sinned he must have fallen at some point before then.

this is the Gap Theory and it is not supported from a Biblical perspective.

59 posted on 05/16/2014 1:22:41 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: DouglasKC
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.

This sure wasn't Noah's flood. This was the 1st earth age. Katabole.

68 posted on 05/16/2014 1:48:34 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: DouglasKC
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; And the heavens, they had no light.

More than 99.9% of the people think this verse is speaking of Noah's flood...

2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

If this is Noah's flood, heaven got destroyed in the flood...

87 posted on 05/16/2014 2:43:58 PM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: DouglasKC

Yes, exactly.

If you interpret the stories of Genesis as rough outlines of the history of the universe prior to man, told for the benefit of people who had not developed scientific methodology yet, then there really is no conflict.

Gen. 1:3— “And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.” Which took place as the big bang, several billion years ago.

As you point out, a literal interpretation of the Genesis stories is problematic. The discrepancy between the measured age of the earth and the Biblical 6,000 year old earth is only one of those problems—there are many more. For instance, when Cain was cast out of the garden and was afraid that someone would kill him, who, exactly, was he afraid of? And when he ended up in the land of Nod—where did that come from, since at this point, Cain is the only living child of the first pair of humans? And so on. The only way Genesis makes sense is as a moral lesson.


125 posted on 05/17/2014 5:10:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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