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To: spirited irish; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Re your claim that "INSTANTANEOUSLY" was "what God said", I have exhaustively explored numerous parallel translations of the following passages from Genesis and related Scriptures:

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground; and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Gen. 2:7

and...

2 Thus HaShomayim and Ha’Aretz were finished, and all the tza’va of them. 2 And on Yom HaShevi’i Elohim finished His work which He had made; and He rested on the Yom HaShevi’i from all His work which He had made.
Bereshis 2 Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

...and in them and all related passages in all extant translations, time obviously has elapsed, -- yet, I find NO occurrence of the term, "INSTANTANEOUSLY" -- or any derivative thereof.

Furthermore, a comprehensive, multi-translation concordance search for "INSTANTANEOUSLY" (or any of its derivatives) produces zero instances -- until this passage is reached:

1 Corinthians 15:51-52
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, [?"INSTANTANEOUSLY"?] at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Need I point out to you that the above passage refers to the end times -- and not creation?

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From the above, I can only conclude that your "INSTANTANEOUSLY" is a human contrivance of your own mind, or of the navel-gazing, self-referential "sages" whom you so delight in quoting.

IOW, it falls precisely into the category of "From what spiritually blind men have said rather than from what God said."

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(See, "Petard -- hoist with your own...")

248 posted on 05/28/2014 11:01:53 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias... "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: TXnMA

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!


249 posted on 05/28/2014 11:47:19 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

You guys got me to thinking...

We tend to measure miracles with a time factor. If it happens quickly in human terms, its a miracle. If it happens slowly, again in terms that a human perceives, or if it happens in the background and isn’t perceived at all, then no miracle has occurred. Which I suppose means the miraculous gets measured against a human constant.

God stands outside time, of course, and has his own agenda. When he intervenes in his own clockwork suddenly, we understand that as miraculous. When he does it in such a way that it unfolds over time, as humans perceive time, then in our minds it is natural and therefor no miracle. Even though the natural itself, the clockwork itself, and the leaf moving imperceptibly upstream, God’s chess pieces inexplicably in the right place at the right time are evidence and fruit of his handiwork.

But you have to have eyes for it.

If you are observant you will notice that God intervenes sometimes in dramatic ways, and sometimes in ways that almost imperceptible until they have gathered momentum and if you weren’t paying attention you’d have never noticed.

But the measure of a miracle isn’t the time factor, of course, but the author and the exertion of the author’s will. When events unfold according to normal cause and effects, we obviously don’t consider that miraculous although it is the fruit of an earlier miracle that established the rules of the game at the beginning. But when God intervenes and suddenly changes the rules, or shields you from consequences, or starts a new game, we call that a miracle... unless he does it slowly in our terms, or he does it in such a way that in retrospect we can explain it away.

Which brings to mind one more point. It is my experience that people tend to forget miracles very quickly after they occur. Because the new reality has problems of its own, and very quickly we get caught up in the day to day worries of the new reality and we forget the miracle that gave it to us.


252 posted on 05/28/2014 10:34:53 PM PDT by marron
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