Posted on 05/15/2014 12:50:47 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
The Huckster William Miller got it wrong in 1844. Perhaps you can give us a new date. I want to buy “earthly treasures” cheap from those planning to be raptured at that time.
What brought up William Miller?
Thanks for the post PhilipFreneau. I’ve often wondered if “Jerusalem” is the earth and not a geographical location on earth.
The Lord's day does not begin until the return of Christ right here where He said He would return.
IIPeter 3:8 But beloved, be NOT ignorant of this one thing,
That ONE day is with The Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
What John is shown in this book covers all three heaven/earth ages. Again IIPeter 3. John wrote down what he was given/shown and it in large part is unfolding while some are sleeping.
Forget it. Philip starts with the a priori assumption that most everything in Revelation happened in the past, never mind that Revelation itself demonstrates that this could not be true. You might as well talk to a wall.
>>>The Huckster William Miller got it wrong in 1844. Perhaps you can give us a new date. I want to buy “earthly treasures” cheap from those planning to be raptured at that time.<<<
I see you didn’t bother reading the post. If you did you would know I am not into dates. You need to ask a dispensationalist or futurist if you want a date. Some that come to mind who have provided dates in the past include Hal Lindsey, Harold Camping and Pat Roberts. There are many more.
Philip
Now that's funny ... I don't care who you are ...
Where does it say that? Christ told his disciples he would return in their generation.
>>>IIPeter 3:8 But beloved, be NOT ignorant of this one thing, That ONE day is with The Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.<<<
Peter was expecting an imminent resurrection. He was trying to console those who were expecting Christ's return even sooner.
>>>What John is shown in this book covers all three heaven/earth ages. Again IIPeter 3. John wrote down what he was given/shown and it in large part is unfolding while some are sleeping.<<<
You have no proof of that, nor can you find any. The so-called "dispensational ages" do not exist, except in the imaginative words of the new-age inventors of dispensationalism.
Philip
His date is a little earlier than Miller's ... its 70 AD.
You are welcome. When Satan and his angels go after the church in Revelation 20 (happening now!), notice they compass the "breadth" of the earth:
"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." (Rev 20:7-9 KJV)
The "breadth" of the earth is the entire earth; in this case, everywhere there are Christians.
Philip
>>>Forget it. Philip starts with the a priori assumption that most everything in Revelation happened in the past, never mind that Revelation itself demonstrates that this could not be true. You might as well talk to a wall.<<<
All you have presented is your opinion. Do you have any scripture to back up your claim?
Don’t hold your breath, everyone.
Philip
I think you mean the Second Coming of Christ and the First Resurrection happened around 70 AD.
The Lord’s Day is every Sunday, it’s the Christian Sabbath.
He was at Patmos, banished for preaching the gospel, and it was Sunday, as he says:
Revelation 1
“9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,”
John was prophesying of things to come soon after he wrote his prophesy:
Revelation 1
“1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”
When was the millennium?
>>>I think you mean the Second Coming of Christ and the First Resurrection happened around 70 AD.<<<
You are correct. Most of orthodox stripes (e.g., reformed) associate the second coming with the final judgement. But I believe there was a “first” resurrection of the saints and righteous of Israel at the close the “Jewish” age in AD 70; and the final (general) judgement will be the “second” resurrection. Anyway, it is a little confusing to relate the two doctrines.
Thanks,
Philip
I’ve already presented it to you on other threads, and it’s made no impression on you, so I won’t waste my time trying again.
>>>Now that’s funny ... I don’t care who you are ...<<<
LOL! It would have been even funnier coming from a dispensationalist/futurist who spiritualize, then pretend they don’t.
Philip
>>>When was the millennium?<<<
It began at the first resurrection in AD 70. I personally believe it ended about a century ago when Satan gained a foothold in the Church. Anyone paying attention has seen the spiritual damage Satan has done to our former Christian nation in the past century, and to other formerly Christian nations. Satan is the Great Deceiver!
Philip
>>>I’ve already presented it to you on other threads, and it’s made no impression on you, so I won’t waste my time trying again.<<<
If you had no time to “waste,” why bother us on this thread with your unsubstantiated innuendo? Are one of those “drive-by dispensationalists?”
Philip
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