Posted on 04/21/2014 8:51:13 PM PDT by Salvation
No, the point is the person you are promoting lies...Paul did not say not to follow Jesus...
I did not read much of what he calls proof but just the ones I pointed out, one of which I take with a grain of salt, the others which make a lot of sense which I will study on before I go to something else.
Many protestants seem so quick to except Pauls chastisement of Peter as gospel and they believe Paul had all authority, and the only reason for this comes from Paul.
But if some one points out scriptures that leads to a different view they call them liars, and there are many scriptures that brings concern regardless of what my author as you call him may say.
And why would Paul have to defend his role as an apostle to the Corinthians unless there were some doubt there?
What deception you are posting!!!>>>>>
No, I am not posting any deception, I am just pointing out scripture that needs to be considered.
The Catholic Church has to except Paul as an apostle because they are the ones who included all of his what you call gospel in the Bible.
The protestants except Paul to the point of excluding every one else including the ones Jesus personally chose and they also reject any scripture that may indicate other wise.
I think of Paul as having a lot of common sense and believe he made sense on most of what he said, I also believe him to be more at odds with the chosen apostles than he was with them.
I am only using his own words other than the words in rev 2:2 by John which could be the reason Paul was defending his role of an apostle both to timothy and to the Corinthians.
The only problem on that would be that the dates of the writings would have to be reconsidered, but we know that many of the dates are not sure things.
Paul is at odds with what the other apostles were taught before the full revelation of the church that was revealed to Paul by the risen Lord...I don't know how any one could read the scriptures and not see that...
God offered the Kingdom to the Jews...They turned him down...He then offered to adopt them into the church...For the most part they rejected that also...
It did no good to threaten them...It did no good to show them love...So God resorted to doing something to make them jealous (Rom 11)...And to make them jealous, he changed some rules and revealed those to the apostle Paul...
)...And to make them jealous, he changed some rules and revealed those to the apostle Paul...
In fact I do not believe any rules were changed, if I did I maybe would start talking to the Joseph Smith crowd.
Acts 15
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And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
No one disputed what Peter said, including Paul.
“Can you show how anyone became a Christian before the Gospels were written?”...No, I can not. And, so what is your point?
Good grief, vladimir998. Seriously, what are you talking about?
Never forgot, that... “Christ forgave Peter.” So, what is your actual guestion?
Well you answered your own question.
He lied, at least three times, by a lie of a lie, by denial. Bitterly weeping means- what? What in the world, does that mean? Sorrow, at contributing to the resurection of Jesus Christ?
Okay. Good. Well, since that is supposedly true; then, have the Popes done the will of Peter, or Jesus Christ?
I transpose a vowel. Neato! Great response.
If you were to weep bitterly, what would it mean?
In Peter’s case, yes, extreme sorrow, but more than that.
Repentance.
And then remember that he declares his love for Jesus three times later on.
You make a good case for Peter, as a man. The chair of Peter, is entirely a matter of conniving human consciousness by consequence, of lower human guilt.
Sorry that you don't believe that Christ forgave Peter.
Jesus did not connive His relationship, with Peter. The Church did, and with the chair of Peter, as herald- has connived in great detail, to assume control of all natural human beings. Nothing to do with Jesus or Peter, except by the base nature of all things possible. Right? The lower is the higher, with some folks. What a grand view?!
I disagree with your own personal interpretation of Scripture (YOPIOS) for Christ proclaims that Peter is the Rock on which he will build his church. Also giving him the Keys to the Kingdom.
This has been interpreted down through the ages since Christ ascended into heaven and promised all the apostles that he would be with them always.
Not believing in Scripture again??? What will you say to Christ and St. Peter at the moment of your death? (Particular judgment)
Probably won’t have much to say, Salvation. Thanks for asking. Hope yours goes well!
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