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To: D-fendr; boatbums

I've pointed that out a time or three dozen on these pages; "Hear Oh, Israel, our God is One"

But I have allowed you to distract us into making this about my own personal beliefs, or yours, when that was not the question.

If you won't answer the central question (or cannot?) or any of the ancillary & related questions which arose, then this is going nowhere.

It's still your turn in that regard (as to what Roman Catholic Magesterium requires) and will remain so as long as the central issue is only approached by way of return questions on your own part.

If we are to now turn to personal opinions instead; (and I owe you no quid pro quo in this, but rather,you are several "pages" behind at this point)
How about the title of this thread? I agree very much with the author of it, and do think he raises interesting points.

Would you care to return to that, read it again (it's fairly short) then venture comment as to the various juxtapositions?

There is an either/or at the bottom, which if considered in light of what boatbums helpfully added;

"...shown to be quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus or what (has been held) always, everywhere, by everybody. A MAJOR measuring rod by which heresy was disputed from the start of Christianity.

can possibly lead us all to better grasp of what was believed in the beginnings, while setting aside "development" ala' Cardinal Newman's explanation of why that be allowed, but allowed only for the [Roman] Catholic church which he had himself converted to (and was made a bishop, in fairly short order).

Of course the above possibly begs the question as to what was then at the earliest times of that invocation believed (in the church universal) everywhere, always, by everyone, or a.k.a the unanimous consent of the fathers.

It is far easier to claim it, then to actually demonstrate such, but it can be simplified when it can be determined who the "church fathers" actually were.

Let's limit ourselves to the first 3 centuries and see what can be truly unanimous, rather than by special case pleading turn towards majority vote to be = unanimous consent.

Just think, 3 centuries -- that would give a bit more space of time then since the formation of the U.S. Constitution, and we see what has happened with that, as the writer of the article, Michael J. Kruger touched upon.

402 posted on 04/28/2014 10:32:23 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: BlueDragon
You seem reticent to discuss your dogma specifically.

I've pointed that out a time or three dozen on these pages; "Hear Oh, Israel, our God is One"

I'll assume this means it is dogma for you.

Why? How did you arrive at this dogma? Is it infallible?

It would be honest to give your own dogma the same examination that you seem to have given that of the Church.

406 posted on 04/29/2014 5:17:34 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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