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To: boatbums; daniel1212; Springfield Reformer; metmom; BlueDragon
The bread did NOT change miraculously into bloody flesh nor did the cup of wine change to blood

You know that how? Jesus says they did. That's Whom I believe.

the false idea that the Mass is a reenactment of Calvary

Indeed. Who would teach such nonsense. The Mass is Calvary.

194 posted on 04/25/2014 6:33:44 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex
The bread did NOT change miraculously into bloody flesh nor did the cup of wine change to blood

You know that how? Jesus says they did. That's Whom I believe.

Are you contending the bread and wine were PHYSICALLY changed so that the bread Jesus broke and passed around no longer was bread but real human flesh? Was it raw? Gimme a break! Obtuse thinking leads to some silly conclusions.

the false idea that the Mass is a reenactment of Calvary

Indeed. Who would teach such nonsense. The Mass is Calvary.

Except that it's NOT. The sacrifice of Christ on the cross was "once for all" and He has perfected forever those who are sanctified by faith through the grace of God.

The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me; with burnt offerings and sin offerings you were not pleased.

Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll— I have come to do your will, my God.’”

First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”

Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”

And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary. (Hebrews 10:1-18)

That's Whom I believe.

199 posted on 04/25/2014 3:51:13 PM PDT by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator.)
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