Posted on 04/14/2014 2:40:46 PM PDT by NYer
“The law is not about penalty, it is instruction in righteousness.”
But the penalty is about infraction of the law.
Do you pick the fly poop out of the pepper just to be argumentative?
Thank God Jesus died to pay my penalty. And yours.
I have never heard of this book by Bishop Sheen. After reading your comment I went to my Kindle, downloaded the book. All in the space of about 30 seconds. Technology can be good.!
Thanks for mentioning the book
He paid the penalty for sin committed in ignorance, not for deliberate sin committed after we are given the knowledge.
Many attempt to stretch “grace” to cover those sins, but there never was any offering therefor.
Read Peter’s and John’s epistles and get in line with what they show us.
Peter makes the point well that nobody is “saved” yet, but if we endure in his commandments to the end, we will be saved on that day.
Satan would have loved nothing more than to prevent the redemption of mankind.
This kind of tripe is nonsense. It’s a waste of time speculating on *what if’s* of something that had to be done for salvation to come to mankind, and was a done deal almost 2,000 years ago.
Unless Jesus died on a cross, in a crucifixion, prophecy could not and would not have been fulfilled. Psalm 22
He could not have died another way.
No, it wouldn't. The sacrifice had to DIE.
He had to die to be able to conquer death itself.
Pontius Pilate should have listened to talk radio.
Wrong. The Law kills. It brings death.
2 Corinthians 3:4-11 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses' face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.
Galatians 2:15-16 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 3:10-14 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them. Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for The righteous shall live by faith. But the law is not of faith, rather The one who does them shall live by them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for usfor it is written, Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a treeso that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:21-29 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
You need to spend time reading Peter’s and John’s epistles, that make Yeshua’s points without the unnecessary confusion that Paul injects with his lengthy monologues of which you have demonstrated your complete lack of understanding.
Paul is not relieving us of the commandments; he stated plainly that “doers of the law will be justified.”
Paul is trying to explain how attitude can guide us to righteousness, not to steer us away from Yeshua’s desire.
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>> “No, it wouldn’t. The sacrifice had to DIE.” <<
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I’m confident that Campion knows that; he just hasn’t had enough coffee today.
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You’ll enjoy it.
The chapter with Pilate also goes into government. Amazing how Sheen is applicable today as when he wrote the book.
The Church of Jesus Christ, Latter-Day Saints welcomes you!
True. But if Pilate had listened to his wife and not crucified Jesus, and if instead Jesus had been stoned or stabbed to death instead, Psalm 22 would have painted a relevant picture, because God would have known ahead of time.
I agree that this is all hypothetical and happen to think it’s ridiculous to speculate.
All so the author in the OP can make the point that husbands should listen to their wives...lol.
Those who say they know and love God but do not love their brother are not of God, Those that went out from us never belonged to us, etc.
When a “Christian” walks away from what he has learned is the truth, he never was a Christian. We Christians are saved from the moment we repent and accept His gift. We do not have to accomplish anything to end up saved on that day, as you say. The twists you allude to are power levers for the Catholic Church to administer the Holy Sacraments and control people. I was raised learning the Catechism, with venial and mortal sins, the necessity of going to confession to a priest to have a mortal sin forgiven before we get hit by a bus and wind up in Hell, ad nauseum. That’s not the teaching of either Simon Peter or John, and certainly not of Jesus, but of the Catholic Church.
Those of us who are saved will live in such a way as to honor Him because we are motivated to please Him out of gratitude and love, not because we have to earn His salvation, because we cannot earn His salvation, and not because the risk of not earning His salvation is hanging over our heads every waking moment.
Teach your alternative gospel no more.
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