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What methods do Amish leaders use to deal with inward sins when the youth return after Rumspringa?
4/2/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 04/02/2014 8:25:03 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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1 posted on 04/02/2014 8:25:03 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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I still can’t figure out why the traditional Amish clothes, that men and women now generally wear, is somehow better than what the Greeks wore during the time of the Apostle Paul when he was preaching to them and writing letters (which became part of the New Testament canon of scripture).

Did the Amish leaders somehow discover that their clothes were the epitome of godly clothing and better than all the other styles that any Christian of any time period ever wore?

If they must pick a style that would somehow be the most Godly, wouldn’t first century Apostolic Age Greek or Jewish garb be the best? /sarcasm.

Hmmm.


2 posted on 04/02/2014 8:32:38 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

It ain't authoritative if it ain't in the King James version.


3 posted on 04/02/2014 8:32:45 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I think they don't want to be dependent on the Government as Obama want us to do. Governments fail and I think Obama has set us up for failure; so they may be very right to do so.
4 posted on 04/02/2014 8:34:37 AM PDT by sr4402
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And most likely you would want that verse to be spoken in Pennsylvanian Dutch, too, right? I imagine that they would want this...

Elephant versus the gnat. Sigh. Which to strain and which to swallow?

5 posted on 04/02/2014 8:35:32 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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I don’t think there are too many Amish on the interwebs to answer your question.


6 posted on 04/02/2014 8:36:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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Do they want dependence on deacons, bishops and ministers within their community, or do the bishops, deacons, and ministers in Amish communities want them to be dependent on them and their governance?


7 posted on 04/02/2014 8:36:59 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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I still can’t figure out why the traditional Amish....

I've learned not to think too hard about what the Amish do & don't do. They are horribly inconsistent, in my opinion.

8 posted on 04/02/2014 8:37:51 AM PDT by gdani
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Something for you to read, then ...

The Amish
http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/denominations/amish.htm


9 posted on 04/02/2014 8:37:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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I think the Rumspringa idea is genius.

It wouldn't work if the entire world were Amish, but it is a perfect way for a highly disciplined and conformist community to eliminate future potential troublemakers.

At the age of rebellion give every member an opportunity to explore the outside world. If they like it more than the community they grew up in, then they will voluntarily choose to leave.

If, however, they choose to stay then they are more likely than not in agreement with the community's way of life. Also, they were the ones that made the decision. They know that they were not forced to stay.

The Pilgrims didn't really have it as good as the Amish. If they discovered bad actors among them then their only option was to banish them to the woods which in most cases was certain death. In such cases bad actors might not openly disclose themselves for fear of banishment. So bad actors would remain in the community continuing to wreak havoc in secret.

The only thing the Amish would have to fear are those that decide to remain in the community even though they would like to leave, but don't think that they could survive on their own among the 'English'.

10 posted on 04/02/2014 8:38:33 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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That isn't the point.

They do speak to non-Amish people who visit their communities.

Fictional books about the travails of Amish life fill the shelves of Christian bookstores making things falsely idyllic, and Mennonites speak with Amish people from time to time. Mennonites would use the web. And there are non-Amish people who do join them from time to time.

Would you want anyone to be brought into or kept under this bondage to human rules? Perhaps in time, the fallacies they live by can be communicated to them - over time - can make a difference.

Why live a life of mega-legalism?

11 posted on 04/02/2014 8:41:19 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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I have bought some construction wood from Amish in Upstate NY - and they have some decent (modern) milling equipment. Perhaps the electrical appliances thing doesn’t apply to making a living?


12 posted on 04/02/2014 8:41:46 AM PDT by PGR88
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=the+electric+amish


13 posted on 04/02/2014 8:43:31 AM PDT by Paul46360
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“Would you want anyone to be brought into or kept under this bondage to human rules?”

As far as I know, their rules are a voluntary covenant of the community, so I wouldn’t call it “bondage”. I wouldn’t choose to live under their rules, but I also am not going to begrudge them their choice.


14 posted on 04/02/2014 8:45:36 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The King James committee thought it was not an elephant but a camel:

Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

Matthew 23:24


15 posted on 04/02/2014 8:46:00 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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I am beginning to like the set-up they had in Shyamalan’s The Village.


16 posted on 04/02/2014 8:49:11 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The Radical Reformation looks at sin as being around us, something that will invade our souls.

The Reformed churches look at the soul as sinful. We are tainted with sin to the point that we are spiritually dead.
Both impact the way we see the world in very different ways.

Anyway I go with the latter.

17 posted on 04/02/2014 8:49:30 AM PDT by Gamecock (If the cross is not foolishness to the lost world then we have misrepresented the cross." S.L.)
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The Bible: Its Original Languages and English Translations
http://www.goarch.org/ourfaith/ourfaith7068

The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy
http://www.bible-researcher.com/chicago1.html


18 posted on 04/02/2014 8:52:47 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: nathanbedford

the King James Version is full of errors. Any historian can tell you that. Just look at the preface to the “Revised King James” for my authority on that subject.


19 posted on 04/02/2014 9:01:33 AM PDT by Kansas58
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I think you’ll find that the Amish with modern milling equipment (or refrigerators for cheese they sell) also have gasoline or diesel generators. There are two principles at the heart of the Amish limitations on contact with modernity: avoiding “fancy” which they regard as violating the Holy Apostle Paul’s injunction against being conformed to this world, and an absolute prohibition on the use of credit. Purely utilitarian modern devices are generally allowed, provided they can be used without using any good or service not paid for in advance or at the time of purchase — utilities billed after use are forbidden not on the basis of being “fancy”, but on the basis that they are bought on credit.


20 posted on 04/02/2014 9:05:31 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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