Or that Eve indirectly was the gate of the gate, but again the problem is not what can simply be theologically allowed, but all the hyper-exaltation and 900+ titled adulation given to a holy instrument of God, which is imagined or extrapolated out of the little that is relatively said of her.
The silence of Scripture is to be respected as it is revelation, and it is one thing to explain what it written, and another thing to give praise and adulation to persons it does not, or far beyond what is sober description provides. We are "not to think of men above that which is written," (1 Corinthians 4:6) even beyond the divisions that causes (and it is part of our division with Catholics), even as we are think soberly of ourselves. (Rm. 12:3)
Considering that Paul was the primary medium for grace to the NT church as church planter and writer of most of the NT, and of whose sacrificial labor and work the Holy Spirit gives the most press to, and attributes no manifest sin, we could be serious when presenting 51 Biblical Proofs Of A Pauline Papacy , but while often quoted, we do see the manner of exaltation of men in Scripture which characterizes Rome.
Daniel1212 balks at the idea of IHS owing thanks to Mary. If he has been married and fathered a child, maybe he should talk to his wife about it. I know that I thanked God more than daily for the privilege and delight of serving my infant child,
That is another invalid analogy. You did not create your wife, nor do thank your son for choosing to be born, but as you are not the creator of him then you can be indebted to him for right choices he makes that benefit you.
But again, God needs nothing from man,
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? (Psalms 8:4)
God would have no grief without man or the fallen angels. And His command to worship is not because He needs it, but bcz it is right and is to our benefit.
And though in some sense she SHOULD love me, the first time she actually said so, I practically melted into the floor for joy.
But there is no reason by why of merit that God should love us, but instead her should hate us, and certainly is not indebted to him.
because of my great love for my daughter, I am delighted to owe her my love and thanks
No, you do not owe her a thing if you were perfect and all the good she has was from you, including her ability to express love, and the heart to do so. God rewards believers in grace, not because He is indebted to us.
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; (Acts 17:25)
I say that out of Love God deigns in His Son to owe us some things; that his gifts are so transcendentally wonderful that we can be said, in Christ, even to have “merit.”
I understand you to say that the pre-Incarnation state of affairs of Psalm 8 persists.
To repeat myself, I think that, as in the differences over images — which may be a kind of diagnostic indication, come to think of it — we have different concepts of the meaning and implications of the Incarnation.
I think that grievous perversion of doctrine is no sign the doctrine is good or bad, except that “lilies that fester smell far worse than weeds.”