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To: daniel1212
Rome's mythical purgatory

There's a reason why Luther shortened the Bible.

“Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin.” (2 Maccabees 12:46)
But he neglected to remove the following verses, which require a little bit of deduction.

"anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matt. 12:32)
Jesus implies that sins can be forgiven "in the age to come."

Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

122 posted on 03/23/2014 10:05:14 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Jesus implies that sins can be forgiven "in the age to come."

Particularly, the Church teaches:

There are those who although in a state of grace, do have venial sin (mortal/venial sin, see 1 John 5:16-17), or penance yet to be paid for forgiven sin on their soul. It is for those in the state of venial sin, or the “middle ground”, that Purgatory is intended.

125 posted on 03/23/2014 10:23:29 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? "He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering ("fire") there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

To understand scripture one must compare scripture with scripture...The bible is not written like a novel... No it doesn't explain purgatory at all....We will not be saved thru fire...We will be saved as by fire...

2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

We can gain less than a full reward if we put stock in things that don't matter to God...

1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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We are saved by the fire because the fire burns up the bad works we might otherwise be condemned with...No purgatory anywhere....

we don't get burned...We don't even get warm...

Rom_4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

There is no sin to be judged to purgatory for...The sin gets burned up, not the sinner...No purgatory...No payment...No penance...

So what do we lose??? What do we suffer??? We suffer by not gaining all of the available rewards when we get to heaven...

This is NOT the White Throne Judgment...No one goes into outer darkness at this judgment...This judgment is strictly for Christians...And God does not condemn Christians...

126 posted on 03/23/2014 11:04:52 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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