Actually your total lack of understanding of scripture was obvious and glaring.
>>I also mentioned earlier that the tribe of Levi is listed as one of the twelve in the Revelation, but not in Ezekiel.<<
Once again it’s rather simple. In Revelation God is simply listing the number from each tribe that is being protected. It’s not who gets land or anything else.
>>So which is it? Is David the King and shepherd, or is Christ? And if David serves the king (who is Christ,) then why is he mentioned as a stand-alone in all those passages, across several books.<<
Actually it’s you who has to show that Christ is still considered a “servant” after His resurrection.
Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
>>Wasn't Hosea 3 referring to the return from Babylon?<<
No.
>>So which is it? Is David the King and shepherd, or is Christ?<<
First show me where Jesus is referred to as a servant after His resurrection.
>>David was most likely Cyrus, the servant of the Lord; but he could have been Christ.<<
Spiritualize much? Or is it allegory?
>>That new covenant: the "covenant of peace" in Ezekiel, is the new testament for which Christ shed his blood.<<
What are you? Dispensational now?
Christ will rule on earth from Jerusalem and all the saints with Him.
Zechariah:14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.
With that I will leave you to your Preterist dillusions.
You have shown nothing but spin and smears, Cynical Bear. That is because you have placed yourself in a scriptural corner, and you must resort to dispensational debating points (e.g., smear, redirect, smear, redirect, . . . ) if you expect to have any hope of getting out.
I Wrote, in part: >>>I also mentioned earlier that the tribe of Levi is listed as one of the twelve in the Revelation, but not in Ezekiel.<<<
Cynical Wrote: >>>Once again it’s rather simple. In Revelation God is simply listing the number from each tribe that is being protected. It’s not who gets land or anything else.<<<
Very slick, Cynical Bear. You completely avoided my intended question: about why an old sin by Levi would still be an issue way in the future. You avoided it by redirecting the answer to a general statement preceding the question. Very slick.
Besides, you even put the spin on that response, as you have everything else! There is no proof that the twelve in the Revelation are anything but the 12 tribes of Israel; or that that the twelve in Ezekiel are mentioned for any reason except for land distributions after the return from Babylon. And you completely avoided the tribe of Dan. If Ezekiel was prophesying distant future land distributions, he would have known that the tribe of Dan would not exist in the distant future. Please refrain from spiritualizing the scripture, Cynical Bear.
I Wrote: >>>So which is it? Is David the King and shepherd, or is Christ? And if David serves the king (who is Christ,) then why is he mentioned as a stand-alone in all those passages, across several books.<<
Cynical Wrote: >>>Actually it’s you who has to show that Christ is still considered a “servant” after His resurrection.<<<
No, Cynical Bear: it is you who has to prove that, in the New Testament, David serves either as king, prince, shepherd, servant, or in any other capacity. Since the Old Testament mentions him as king, prince, servant, and as shepherd (the only shepherd,) there should be at least one reference of David's future role in the New Testament. Yet there is none! This is David prophesied as both king and as the only shepherd in the Old Testament:
"And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd." (Eze 34:23 KJV)
"And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. " (Eze 37:24 KJV)
I Wrote: >>>So, they shall have one shepherd, David, and not Christ? Somehow I always thought Christ the Lord was our shepherd, not David? You are spiritualizing the scriptures, Cynical Bear.<<<
Cynical Wrote: >>>I believe you have misstated the verses on David.<<<
How so? Explain yourself, Cynical Bear! How did I misstate those verses, when Ezekiel 34:23 plainly states that there shall be one shepherd, and David shall be their shepherd? You are spiritualizing the scriptures, Cynical Bear.
I Wrote: >>Wasn't Hosea 3 referring to the return from Babylon?<<
Cynical Wrote: >>>No.<<<
No? Is that all you have as proof? Your opinion? Sorry, Cynical, but the total worth of all your opinions is somewhere near zero.
I Wrote: >>So which is it? Is David the King and shepherd, or is Christ?<<
Cynical Wrote: >>>First show me where Jesus is referred to as a servant after His resurrection.<<<
You first. Where is David mentioned in the New Testament as a servant in any role: king, prince, shepherd, servant, . . . , in any role? You made it up, Cynical Bear, and your vain attempts at redirection will not work with me. You should know that by now.
I Wrote: >>David was most likely Cyrus, the servant of the Lord; but he could have been Christ.<<
Cynical Wrote: >>>Spiritualize much? Or is it allegory?<<<
It is more along the lines of interpretation of the Spirit; or, as is written, words that were written by prophets who were moved by the Holy Ghost, and not by their own private interpretations.
Besides, I have no problem with allegorical or figurative interpretations of the scripture. It is dispensational doctrine that demands literal interpretation! Prove your doctrine is not made up out of thin air. Prove it is literal, Cynical Bear! Prove that the many statements about David, by at least three prophets, are literal!
You can't, and therefore you won't. You will spin, smear, and do everything you can to avoid showing proof, because you cannot prove it!
I Wrote: >>>That new covenant: the "covenant of peace" in Ezekiel, is the new testament for which Christ shed his blood.<<
Cynical wrote: >>>What are you? Dispensational now?<<<
Prove me wrong, Cynical.
To Everyone Else! The new covenant, explained in detail in the Hebrews 8-10 (mostly in 9), is also called:
1) the "covenant of peace" in Ezekiel 34:25 and 37:26, and the "everlasting covenenant" in Ezekiel 16:60 and 37:26;
2) the "everlasting covenant" in Isaiah 55:3 and 61:8, and the covenant of peace in Isaiah 54:10;
3) the "everlasting covenant" in Jeremiah 32:40 and the "new covenant" in Jeremiah 31:31;
4) the "new covenant" in Heb 8:8, 8:13 and 12:24 and "everlasting covenant" in Hebrews 13:20;
This is Jeremiah 31:
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." (Jer 31:31-34 KJV)
Listen to the same covenant mentioned by Jesus:
"Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." (John 6:42-45 KJV)
Jesus also explained the new covenant this way:
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Mat 26:28 KJV)
Hebrews chapter 9 explains the old and new covenants are, in reality, the old and new testaments.
Cynical Bear Wrote: >>>Christ will rule on earth from Jerusalem and all the saints with Him.<<<
Cynical showed no proof whatsoever; but he did post the entire chapter of Zechariah 14 as a redirection, with the pretense that he actually understands Zechariah; and then finished with yet another redirection:p>
>>>With that I will leave you to your Preterist dillusions.<<<
You see what I have been putting up with? The fact that Cynical Bear continuously spiritualizes the scriptures--the scriptures he claims should be taken literally--should be a lesson to everyone that the doctrine of dispensationalism is a made-up, new-age sham.
Philip