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To: Williams; Greetings_Puny_Humans; daniel1212; metmom

Exodus 20 and many other references throughout the OT tell us all worship, prayer and thanksgiving belong to God and God is the only One worthy of such. When Jesus taught us to pray it was to The Father through Him. Please find an OT prayer or Psalm directed towards Moses or any other human being. You won’t find one. When Joshua prayed he went directly to God and did not invoke the name of Moses nor seek the departed Moses as an intercessor.

The only example we have of an OT figure calling on a departed “saint” is when King Saul called upon Samuel through a witch.

I asked this question a few times in the past with no answer. Please point me to the NT apostolic teachings of Mary and or the “saints” addressed in an intercessory role.


203 posted on 03/20/2014 1:45:22 PM PDT by redleghunter (Jesus said: "it is written...")
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To: redleghunter
Please find an OT prayer or Psalm directed towards Moses or any other human being. You won’t find one. When Joshua prayed he went directly to God and did not invoke the name of Moses nor seek the departed Moses as an intercessor.

1 Tim 2:1-4: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Do you believe in a universal Church? Do you believe in the Communion of Saints? If you do, then you must understand that being a universal Church, it is in all places (universal!), including Heaven. If you believe in the Communion of Saints, then you must understand that the Saints in Heaven are part of our Christian community and we can turn to them as we turn to each other for prayers and intercessions.

206 posted on 03/20/2014 1:52:04 PM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: redleghunter

His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”


I hope that intercession is sufficient for you.


210 posted on 03/20/2014 1:59:16 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: redleghunter

I’m glad you are your own authority on God, the Bible and all religion. Some of us are not quite so rigid on it. I frankly don’t care about any of what you are going on about.

I’m not being personal about it, there is a very legitimate religious approach which says that this hyper textual approach is pointless.

Do you read these scripture in the original languages? Does anyone have an original of any of the Scriptures set down in the hand of the author?

As I said before, do you really think that God Almighty is going to pass judgment with a multiple choice or essay test to make sure that you know every line and that is His determination of who gets into Heaven?

What of the believer who has never read the RC catechism on Mary, and isn’t a scriptural expert like you? Do you think God gives them an F and sends them to Hell?

The RC Church descends from Peter and the apostles. They have an excellent claim to be following God’s instructions to His Disciples. Did Christ command the writing of the NT? Is that in the text?


251 posted on 03/20/2014 4:25:43 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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