Posted on 03/19/2014 1:32:10 PM PDT by rwa265
Hey man that just means this is an OFFICIAL Catholic thread, all that's missing is the Luther out of context quote about the Bible.
Please see here earlier today on this thread. The issue should not be whether helps are overall needed, and evang. Christian radion helped me much after i actually became born again while still a RC, and all of sudden was daily hungry to know how to please God according to Scripture. But the issue is the infallible nature claimed by Rome.
Would you concur that infallible authority is necessary to recognize and est. both writings and men of God as being so, and to correctly interpret it, so that dissent from them is rebellion against God?
And if not, then why not do as the noble Bereans did, with that manner of heart.
Does making the church the supreme authority solve the problem of a lack of unScriptural unity?
Thanks be to God for what is good. I posted the link to his blog, We'll see if he allows it.
as a priest, he had the authority to forgive sins...he did.
of course, you are free to reject Christ's gift of salvation anytime that you choose....Hitler did.
nope, He was busy elsewhere so He inspired mere mortals to actually put pen to paper and write the actual book....those were Catholics.
of course not, they wrote the new testament but they were thoughtful enough to include the old testament in their bible....say thanks, because if they hadn't, you'd probably woulhave never had the chance to read it.
Oh...
BINGO!
We have a loser!
But too stupid to include the Traditions. We'd not be having these 'discussions'.
as a condition for salvation?? so whatever the pope says goes??
I don’t think so.
The only condition for salvation is faith in Christ...not fighting in the Crusades.
I love your post 78...I haven’t seen your list of naughty popes in a while....it means nothing to anyone, but it is interesting.
would that be the Catholic version or the readers digest edited KJV??
the church is, after all, an organization of Christians and as such, certainly has a right to make institutional rules.....no skimpy garb in church, no bad language, moments of silence, holy days of obligation, no meat on FRIDAY....what's the big deal.
as is apparent, most through history have been, but all were human...were there a few miscreants....over 2,000 years I guess they are entitled to have made a few minor mistakes. That having been said, as bad as some of these characters were, they were still infallible in matters of faith and morals.....amazing, isn't it!!
a super computer can do that and it was never even human
hey eagle...
“...whatever the pope says goes”
you are utterly, totally and categorically wrong.
The ONLY thing ever infallible about a pope’s teaching is when he speaks “ex cathedra” meaning from the chair (of Peter) and then ONLY on matters of faith and morals (no picking infallible brackets like the pres).
“the actual occurrence of an ex cathedra statement is quite rare. It is generally understood to have only occurred twice: Pope Pius IXs definition of the dogma of Marys Immaculate Conception in 1854 and Pope Pius XIIs definition of the dogma of Marys Assumption in 1950. In both of these cases, the Pope was not teaching something new. Rather, he was confirming and clarifying something that the Church had already believed as part of Gods revelation. “
http://catholicexchange.com/the-pope-and-infallibility
AMDG
So are you saying in the example below the Pope was not speaking "ex cathedra", which if this is the case was the Pope in error for this promise??
Care to explain Pope Urban IIs promise for the remission of sins to those who fought in the Crusades? as a priest, he had the authority to forgive sins...he did.
Christ told us to....whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained......pretty clear to me.
what if you can’t make it to the priest in time before you die? sins forgiven?
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