Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Who Needs Works?
What The Bible Says About ^ | Rev John Odhner

Posted on 03/15/2014 5:31:38 AM PDT by DaveMSmith

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 181-200201-220221-240241 next last
To: G Larry
But Christ declared that he is building his CHURCH on Peter.

Keep on stating it.

Perhaps it'll come true.


Why would ANYONE claim that Christ did a very poor job of holding His CHURCH together??

201 posted on 03/17/2014 11:29:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 183 | View Replies]

To: G Larry
The reason “works” are downplayed elsewhere in Scripture is so the Jews would understand that by merely following Jewish Law, they are not saved by virtue of that behavior.

The reason “works” are UPplayed in Catholicism, is so the unlearned would think that by ONLY following RCC teachings, they will be saved by virtue of that behavior.

202 posted on 03/17/2014 11:31:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 184 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone
You’re saying Christ would build His church on a fallable man????

The one He called SATAN just a short time later?

203 posted on 03/17/2014 11:32:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 186 | View Replies]

To: CynicalBear

Are you arguing for or against works as a requirement for salvation?


204 posted on 03/17/2014 11:34:53 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 196 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone
That is the faith that saves.

I just READ that... somewhere...

Oh yeah...


#106


205 posted on 03/17/2014 11:35:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 188 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

I’m not sure I’m following your point on this.

Are you agreeing or disagreeing?


206 posted on 03/17/2014 11:35:39 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 203 | View Replies]

To: CynicalBear
And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us.

Well; they MJUST have gotten the HS through the SACRAMENTS of the CHURCH.

--CatholicDude(NOW would be a good time to return to the arms of Mary.)

207 posted on 03/17/2014 11:38:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 200 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone

Human acts are NOT required for salvation but a result of it. Catholics and others argue that “works” as they define them are necessary. They intimate, although deny, that efforts on behalf of man are necessary for salvation. I point out the Jesus said that the “works of God” are to believe on Jesus.


208 posted on 03/17/2014 11:39:30 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 204 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone

Perhaps my reference was a bit obscure...

Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me:


209 posted on 03/17/2014 11:40:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 206 | View Replies]

To: Elsie
Catholic teaching likes to say that Jesus 'changed' Simon's name to Peter; when the text clearly shows that Simon was called Peter before Jesus made that statement.


If the church can make the claim that Jesus did, somehow, change Simon's name to Peter; then it ALSO has to OVERLOOK the FACT that He changed it yet again; in Matthew 16:23.

210 posted on 03/17/2014 11:44:44 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 209 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone; Elsie

If you’re not familiar with Elsie, he takes some getting used to.

It’s best not to take much of what he says TOO seriously.

He uses a lot of tongue in cheek....


211 posted on 03/17/2014 11:45:26 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 206 | View Replies]

To: metmom
Hey!


It’s best not to take much of what he says TOO seriously.

212 posted on 03/17/2014 6:19:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies]

To: metmom

He uses a lot of tongue in cheek....

He’s been monkeyin’ around for a LOOooong time now!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LF85tVY5f4


213 posted on 03/18/2014 5:08:14 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 211 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone

Christ said that after He noted that God the Father had conveyed the fact of Christ’s divinity, to Peter.


214 posted on 03/18/2014 5:28:11 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 186 | View Replies]

To: metmom

And leading them to each to a different understanding, as noted by the multitude of Protestant religions?


215 posted on 03/18/2014 5:31:17 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 191 | View Replies]

To: ealgeone

James - “Faith without works is Dead”


216 posted on 03/18/2014 5:33:13 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 192 | View Replies]

To: Elsie

“and the RCC teaching of ‘on this rock’ is quite the opposite”

Now you’re just being fatuous.

“Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church”

“Peter” is the nearest noun PRIOR to “this”.

Given your willingness to mis-state clear and demonstrable English grammar, you are no longer worthy of debating on this thread.


217 posted on 03/18/2014 5:38:51 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 199 | View Replies]

To: G Larry

It is still faith however. Granted the person is not much use to the Kingdom while on this planet....he is nonetheless saved.

Ephesians 1 tells us we have been sealed up by the Holy Spirit who is given as a pledge of our inheritence.

I find nothing in the NT that ever says we are unsealed.


218 posted on 03/18/2014 5:49:19 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, border)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 216 | View Replies]

To: G Larry
And leading them to each to a different understanding, as noted by the multitude of Protestant religions?

Same old, same old.

No, He does not lead to multiple different understandings.

How about some specifics instead of just generalizations?

And why the presumption that different denominations by default mean different interpretations of Scripture?

Give us some examples......

219 posted on 03/18/2014 6:50:32 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 215 | View Replies]

To: G Larry; Elsie
“Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church”

And Jesus didn't say "On YOU I will build my church"

Talk about mangling grammar. That's not how you talk to someone. If He was addressing Peter and telling him that He would build His church on Peter, Jesus would have said *On YOU I will build my church* instead *on THIS I will build my church*.

220 posted on 03/18/2014 6:55:58 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 217 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 181-200201-220221-240241 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson