Posted on 03/15/2014 5:31:38 AM PDT by DaveMSmith
Keep on stating it.
Perhaps it'll come true.
Why would ANYONE claim that Christ did a very poor job of holding His CHURCH together??
The reason works are UPplayed in Catholicism, is so the unlearned would think that by ONLY following RCC teachings, they will be saved by virtue of that behavior.
The one He called SATAN just a short time later?
Are you arguing for or against works as a requirement for salvation?
I just READ that... somewhere...
Oh yeah...
I’m not sure I’m following your point on this.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing?
Well; they MJUST have gotten the HS through the SACRAMENTS of the CHURCH.
--CatholicDude(NOW would be a good time to return to the arms of Mary.)
Human acts are NOT required for salvation but a result of it. Catholics and others argue that “works” as they define them are necessary. They intimate, although deny, that efforts on behalf of man are necessary for salvation. I point out the Jesus said that the “works of God” are to believe on Jesus.
Perhaps my reference was a bit obscure...
Matthew 16:23
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me:
If the church can make the claim that Jesus did, somehow, change Simon's name to Peter; then it ALSO has to OVERLOOK the FACT that He changed it yet again; in Matthew 16:23.
If you’re not familiar with Elsie, he takes some getting used to.
It’s best not to take much of what he says TOO seriously.
He uses a lot of tongue in cheek....
Its best not to take much of what he says TOO seriously.
He uses a lot of tongue in cheek....
He’s been monkeyin’ around for a LOOooong time now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LF85tVY5f4
Christ said that after He noted that God the Father had conveyed the fact of Christ’s divinity, to Peter.
And leading them to each to a different understanding, as noted by the multitude of Protestant religions?
James - “Faith without works is Dead”
“and the RCC teaching of ‘on this rock’ is quite the opposite”
Now you’re just being fatuous.
“Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church”
“Peter” is the nearest noun PRIOR to “this”.
Given your willingness to mis-state clear and demonstrable English grammar, you are no longer worthy of debating on this thread.
It is still faith however. Granted the person is not much use to the Kingdom while on this planet....he is nonetheless saved.
Ephesians 1 tells us we have been sealed up by the Holy Spirit who is given as a pledge of our inheritence.
I find nothing in the NT that ever says we are unsealed.
Same old, same old.
No, He does not lead to multiple different understandings.
How about some specifics instead of just generalizations?
And why the presumption that different denominations by default mean different interpretations of Scripture?
Give us some examples......
And Jesus didn't say "On YOU I will build my church"
Talk about mangling grammar. That's not how you talk to someone. If He was addressing Peter and telling him that He would build His church on Peter, Jesus would have said *On YOU I will build my church* instead *on THIS I will build my church*.
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