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To: Boogieman
"Well, if you conveniently end your quote in verse 6, you can make that statement, but if you include the next few verses, you cannot:

Hmmmm. If that's the rule then apply it accross the board starting with John 3:16.

Read the next few after that verse:

John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.
John 3:18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged : because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the judgment : because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light : for their works were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God.

So much for "Faith Alone" and "Once Saved Always Saved" both unless you make an exception to your own rule of reading verses in context.

50 posted on 03/15/2014 5:05:34 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.
John 3:18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged : because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:19 And this is the judgment : because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light : for their works were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God.

So much for "Faith Alone" and "Once Saved Always Saved" both unless you make an exception to your own rule of reading verses in context.

First, you have to know what you are reading...

There is absolutely nothing in there about doing works for salvation...What it simply says is that if you turn to Jesus, you will be counseled, corrected, instructed (reproved) in the ways to believe and act like a Christian...

And that is the only judgment for a Christian...

73 posted on 03/15/2014 9:15:00 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Rashputin

Your post is frankly out of context with subject of the thread. Not enough Pope Francis apologetics articles for you today?


79 posted on 03/15/2014 10:25:57 AM PDT by redleghunter
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To: Rashputin

“So much for “Faith Alone” and “Once Saved Always Saved” both unless you make an exception to your own rule of reading verses in context.”

I have no problem with reading verses in context. However, I don’t see anything in that context which says something other than faith can save you.

It says those who believe will not be judged, but it doesn’t say that those who do good but don’t believe can escape judgement. Instead, they are already judged for their non-belief, and God finds none of their works “good”. It is only through grace obtained by faith that we can be accounted righteous, and then of course we should produce good works as a consequence.


92 posted on 03/15/2014 1:04:35 PM PDT by Boogieman
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