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To: Just mythoughts
God does not require woman to be subjected to men described in ITimothy 1:9-10.

I don't know what your point is with this reference, but in 1 Tim. 2: 11 (Paul) and 1 Pet. 3:1 (Peter) the word is, undeniably, subjection. The God-pleasing woman is to take on the attitude toward her appointed authority whether he deserves it or not. Period.

Regarding your reference to 2 Cor. 11:1-4, I can give you a detailed exposition of that passage, as I have done here before, but it will involve teaching a little of what the Greek says, but the nuances of which is missing in the translation into English.

See it is not just the woman that will have the propensity for deception.

This sentence says that the woman has the capability and inclination to deceive others. Is that the way you wish to use the term "propensity"? I do not think that is what you meant to say, but . . .

107 posted on 03/06/2014 10:44:17 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
I don't know what your point is with this reference, but in 1 Tim. 2: 11 (Paul) and 1 Pet. 3:1 (Peter) the word is, undeniably, subjection. The God-pleasing woman is to take on the attitude toward her appointed authority whether he deserves it or not. Period. Regarding your reference to 2 Cor. 11:1-4, I can give you a detailed exposition of that passage, as I have done here before, but it will involve teaching a little of what the Greek says, but the nuances of which is missing in the translation into English.

It will take more than the nuances of the Greek to fully understand or teach what Paul was concerned that may happen to the 'church' referenced in IICor. 11. Eve was holy seduced by the devil and the devil is going to be allowed to have the same access to the 'church' and without Christ some churches are going to repeat Eve's sin. Notice Adam sinned with knowledge, Eve was only deceived/seduced.

No woman is to play stupid IF she is learned in the WORD and subject herself to a man if he is like the devil. That is just plain Godly common sense. God reads the mind and knows the heart and nobody cons God. They may con themselves and others, but, again nobody cons God.

This sentence says that the woman has the capability and inclination to deceive others. Is that the way you wish to use the term "propensity"? I do not think that is what you meant to say, but . . .

Some churches, and you sound very much like this is your doctrine do indeed preach the woman's natural tendencies are to 'deceive' and manipulate the man. It has been my experience some men are just as deceptive and manipulative as any woman.

I cannot judge the reason why you stated that Barak was the man in charge, when in fact the WORD states that Deborah, a prophetess, was the judge.

IF a man does not love the/his woman or church with the love Christ had for us the man is a con man and he is a hypocrite on an empty throne. He may rule, but he plants the seeds of rebellion. Might say this is how we got to where we are in our society. Man's ego and the seeds of rebellion.

111 posted on 03/07/2014 6:55:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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