Judges 4:4 And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
Why did you skip this? Judges 4:6 (Notice who is giving the orders!) And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedesh-naphtali, and said unto him, "Hath not the LORD God of Israel commanded, saying, 'Go and draw forward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulum?
God appointed/elected the judges. And there is no difference in how Israel as a nation was behaving then as there is in how we the US or the world for that matter are behaving right now. I seriously doubt you would have the same attitude regarding any of the other male judges that God set in motion. It was the children of Israel that demanded a king.
So do you preach that Rebekah demonstrates the nature of woman, deceptive and manipulative? I know that teaching is out there because I got told that was what the 'story' of Rebekah was all about.
I love IIPeter 3 the whole chapter. And to get the full flavor of verses 14-17 one cannot ignore the preceding verses from verse 1.
In fact, Just because one has a Bible in his hand and can read it does not make one authoritative with it. Spiritual maturity only comes by being discipled by someone who qualifies as a discipler. And that might mean (and often does) that someone who has graduated from a Bible School or seminary might not be spiritually mature, and not even know it! He must have been personally been discipled, and he must have been taught how to disciple others. A pertinent Scripture is as follows: 2Pe 3:14-17 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. In verse 16 above, the word translated "unlearned" is more effectively rendered as "undiscipled". Both Paul and Peter were discipled by Jesus, and knew the trmendous importance to the churches of discipling as an integral, persistently ongoing process. You might want to mull on this, eh? Is it a process you would be interested in following?
Are you also one of these that preach the law is no longer in effect? Strange then that when it comes to the woman there is all manner of laws still in effect. See I cannot find it a bigger transgression of the law for any, male or female to claim they got a signal from God to preach when they were not called. I cannot find anywhere Written that God said it was no longer a 'sin' to have other gods before Him.
Was it God talking in Genesis 3:12? And the man said, "The woman whom Thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat." Classic case of the liberal mind.
You might as well adjust your mind to the prophecy of Joel as it has not happened yet.
Simply because I showed you a little later on that at that period of time, the Israelites were no longer obeying Jehovah and His judgments, but were judging according to their own lights.
Deborah was both judging and prophesying, taking up authority that was not hers. Many years later on Huldah also was a prophetess, dwelling in the college at Jerusalem, also at another time when no one even knew where a copy of the Scriptures was, let alone follow it. These were not "prophtesses" appointed by God. Their statuses was only mentioned, not recommended.
So do you preach that Rebekah demonstrates the nature of woman, deceptive and manipulative?
I don't "preach" this, but the Scripture does show how she promptedd her favorite son Jacob, to deceive her husband Isaac regarding the primogeniture of his favorite son Esau, and though succeeding, was punished by never being allowed to see her son in this life again.
Is that what you mean by being deceptive? You might want to read that Genesis passage through again. And Rebekah's nurse was not the Deborah of Judges, which was hundreds of years later.
But what has this to do with our topic?
God appointed/elected the judges.
My dear FRiend, nowhere does it say that Jehovah appointed Deborah, nor does it rehearse that God approved or helped her. In that time, the Israelites had diappointed and disobeyed Jehovah, and Deborah's prophesying and judging was a part of that. But that did not get them out of captivity, until God appointed Gideon, and mightily gave him the victory.
"The woman whom Thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."
Did you miss the point here? Some people have taught that this is Adam trying to blame Eve for the Fall. That is WRONG doctrine. In this passage Adam was defending Eve by asserting "she gave me, but/and I did eat." That is, though she was deceived, he was not, and stood as a type of Christ in her place to take the blame--"I did eat"-- and receive the punishment (see 1 Tim. 2:13-14). This is what real men do--they defend their women and shield them from harm as far as they can. But they really can't shield them if they choose to abandon their God-ordained role.
Eve got into big trouble by presuming she could wear the pants in the family, and debate with that old Devil the serpent, rather than just saying, "You'd better take this up with my husband. I'm just his helpmate," and then walking away.
Have you grossly misinterpreted this? What did you mean about "liberal mind"?
You might as well adjust your mind to the prophecy of Joel as it has not happened yet.
You've got me here. I don't know at all what point you are making.