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To: Zionist Conspirator; SeekAndFind
It is incontrovertible that Judaism/Noachism was founded by G-d A-mighty. People should be satisfied with that. No further "development" attributed to a "prophet" or (chas vechalilah!) "gxd-man" is even necessary. Why do all chrstians without exception simply assume from the outset that J*sus/the Church/the "new testament" have the right to authentically interpret and apply the prophecies in the Hebrew Bible???

Perhaps it is because we recognize that Jesus IS the promised Messiah? We can look at the three HUNDRED plus prophecies given in the Hebrew Bible and discover that they were fulfilled by the historical Jesus (with the exception of those few future ones yet to be).

Do you actually think that Christians just invented their religion based upon nothing? Jesus of Nazareth was a REAL person, he rose from the dead after his brutal crucifixion - witnessed by hundreds of people, he performed miracles and his teachings were based on the SPIRIT of the Law of Moses and the purpose of the Almighty in the affairs of His creation. He came to earth and dwelt among us, lived a sinless life and died on a cruel cross as the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. His resurrection was the ultimate proof that He was who He claimed to be.

Not everyone will believe and receive this truth - that was also foretold - and Jesus would be rejected by His own people - another one of those prophecies. But one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

69 posted on 02/24/2014 11:58:49 PM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator)
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To: boatbums

I’d be interested on your take after reading the work referenced at #8.


76 posted on 02/25/2014 6:55:06 AM PST by onedoug
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Perhaps it is because we recognize that Jesus IS the promised Messiah?

Yes, but how do you know he was? "Recognition" can be very subjective. How do you know beyond the shadow of a doubt without merely accepting the "new testament" at face value from the beginning?

We can look at the three HUNDRED plus prophecies given in the Hebrew Bible and discover that they were fulfilled by the historical Jesus

Correction: these prophecies were fulfilled according to the "new testament." But how do you know the "new testament" has the true and authentic interpretation of the messianic prophecies? THIS is what none of you chrstians ever explain.

(with the exception of those few future ones yet to be).

Until radical evengelical Protestantism those "future prophecies" were considered fulfilled "spiritually" in the church. So there's one departure from classical chrstianity already. What's the reason for not departing all the way?

Do you actually think that Christians just invented their religion based upon nothing? Jesus of Nazareth was a REAL person, he rose from the dead after his brutal crucifixion - witnessed by hundreds of people, he performed miracles

But none of this proves he was the messiah. It only "proves" it if you accept from the outset that chrstianity and the "new testament" (and their interpretation of the Hebrew Bible) is true.

I don't suppose you've ever read the thirteenth chapter of Deuteronomy?

and his teachings were based on the SPIRIT of the Law of Moses and the purpose of the Almighty in the affairs of His creation.

Once again, you are merely parroting the chrstian claims. You aren't proving them by the Word of G-d as already given to Israel. Does it take an "addition" to the Bible (a la the "book of mormon") to justify chrstianity? If so, then it's a false religion!

Furthermore your concept of "the 'spirit' of the Law" is very anti-Torah and liberal. Liberals have always attacked the literal commandments of the Torah in favor of a more "spiritual" interpretation. And even here you continue to simply repeat chrstian claims. Repeating chrstian claims proves nothing. Israel was not given the "new testament" at Sinai. It was given the Torah. And it is only the Torah that can justify chrstian claims, not writings produced by chrstians themselves based on their own assumptions.

You also commit the cardinal chrstian sin of not understanding that the Torah is not temporary or chr*stological but the reason the universe was created. The Prophets are on a lesser level than the Torah, not a greater one. All authentic prophets are completely subject to the Torah. Any prophet who claims it will be replaced by something else (or "be fulfilled" as chrstians dishonestly put it) is false.

Not everyone will believe and receive this truth - that was also foretold - and Jesus would be rejected by His own people - another one of those prophecies. But one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

And once again, just more of the same.

You can't prove chrstianity by merely parroting its claims--unless you take the TaNa"KH out of christian "bibles" and stop claiming your religion fulfills it. If chrstianity fulfills the Torah (G-d forbid!!!) then the Torah will say so. Prove what you say by the Torah itself or stop making your claims.

81 posted on 02/25/2014 8:03:17 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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