Posted on 02/20/2014 6:07:12 AM PST by marshmallow
A Catholic chaplain at MedStar Washington Hospital Center stopped delivering a 63-year-old heart attack patient Communion prayers and last rites after the man said he was gay, the patient said Wednesday, describing a dramatic bedside scene starting with him citing Pope Francis and ending with him swearing at the cleric.
Details of the exchange earlier this month between the Rev. Brian Coelho and retired travel agent Ronald Plishka couldn’t be confirmed with the priest, who did not respond to a direct e-mail or to requests left with the hospital and the archdiocese. The archdiocese of Washington, for whom he works, declined to comment and said Coelho “is not doing interviews.” The bedside discussion was first reported Monday in the Washington Blade.
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Several others have pointed out my folly, but you responded with really comprehensive information, and I thank you!
“A desire to engage in sodomy (with a same-sex or opposite-sex partner) is a temptation to sin, which should be resisted.
Actually doing the deed is the sin”
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[a] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
So which is it? Is it “doing the deed” or if a homosexual looks at a boy lustfully is it a sin?
He should have gone to Fr. Barry on the show Cheers...
Sam Malone: What I can’t figure out is why I don’t want to tell any of my friends. No, that’s not true, I do want to, but I can’t. Why? That’s... maybe it was such a let down that I didn’t feel like bragging about it. Or maybe it was not a let down and I was ticked because she dumped me as soon as her boyfriend walked in. Or maybe she’s right, I’m trying to get her back in the sack again. I don’t know. God, I just, I’m just a simple guy trying to deal with this complex problem. Or maybe I’m a complex guy trying to deal with a simple problem. I don’t know. What do you think Father?
Father Barry: Am I to understand you had relations with a woman who is not your wife?
Sam Malone: Yes, that’s, ah, that’s correct Father. Ah, what do I need to do?
Father Barry: Say three Hail Marys, four Our Fathers, and nine Rosaries.
Sam Malone: Thank you, Father. Nine Rosaries - that’s a lot.
Father Barry: We’re cracking down.
It sounds as though a Confession started, in the course of which the man said he practices sodomy, and has no intention of stopping. The priest was right to leave.
But the priest is bound by the Seal of Confession. He cannot say a word about it to anyone—anything the “unpenitent” said, or even whether he (the priest) heard a Confession.
I won’t be surprised if Cardinal Wuerl finds a way to make the priest’s life miserable. Wuerl refuses to obey Canon 915 with regard to sodomites and promoters of abortion. He obeys Canon 915 when it comes to the divorced-and-illicitly-remarried. And, yes, that is totally inconsistent.
Homosexuality is Satanism.
“Looking lustfully” is a sin. Adultery is a sin. Sodomy is a sin.
Nobody intended to say that looking lustfully is wrong for some people and not wrong for some other people. It simply wasn’t the topic of discussion.
There are levels. There is what might be called a sexual disposition: most men and most women are generally disposed to desire the opposite sex, but some are different. These dispositions are morally neutral, although the disposition to desire the same sex is naturally disordered.
Then there is the cultivation and enjoyment of lust, by which we mean a desire to gratify yourself by using another person as an object, without consideration for his or her welfare. That is a sin, regardless of the object.
Then there is actual sexual activity. That is a sin, apart from natural intercourse within marriage.
How do you go to the Basilica for a decade and not know any priests?
It sounds as though a Confession started. In which case the priest is bound by the Seal.
The place is huge, and it is not a parish church. You can easily go to Mass there for years and never meet any of the priests personally.
That’s quite true. I think the are technically only 2 priests stationed there: the rector and the spiritual director. However, due to all the religious orders that have seminaries or houses nearby, and the nearby parishes those 2 priests have a lot of help.
I know. I go to the Basilica when I am in DC. My son used to hang out with the Franciscans nearby.
But, a decade? Seriously?
I think it’s reasonable. In that situation, where most of the Mass attendees are transient, a person would have had to seek out an on-staff priest to do more than shake hands leaving Mass.
Last rites are often called these days, the anointing of the sick. You don’t have to be on death’s door in order to receive the anointing.
It is recommended for the elderly and very sick people even if they are not yet close to death.
Thank You for your kind Words, FRiend!
I've had protestant pastors pray over the dying in the same way.
Often right after this is done, and the pastor assures the person he is right with God, the person who is fighting death off becomes calm and dies in peace. There is a lot of fear in the dying...
Of course, others go on to recover.
If you are in a coma, this can be done “conditionally”, that God forgives you if you repent your sins (many folks in comas can hear but not communicate). If the priest asked an alert person if he repented and said no, that's the end of the sacrament: no anointing.
Confession to a priest? Well, originally you had to go to the front of church and confess the sin to the congregation and ask for forgiveness. That discouraged a lot of folks, who didn't want to embarrass their families etc, so the Irish in about 500 AD said you could do it in private instead.
And although most American don't go to confession, most pastors (and we docs)do have people confess to sins, and then we help them heal by telling them that if they are sorry, they are forgiven by Christ/god/the flying spaghetti monster for the terrible things they have done.
It is not “necessary” but it is psychologically useful to confess to another person, especially a person who has authority...
Maybe that's why Jesus gave the apostles the power to “forgive” sins (as a stand in for Jesus) on Easter Sunday night.
One thing the libs hate more than the Truth is Boundaries. They absolutely cannot stand when you say NO to them! They WANT what they WANT! Obnoxious. Obviously the Lord gave this guy time to repend and turn his life around before He called him.
‘not know any priests’ - the Basilica is huge. You can be as anonymous as you wish.
It just struck me how this is the perfect way to malign priests: because they can't comment or defend themselves, under pain of excommunication.
Expect a lot more of this.
Well, it’s particularly dirty because the priest is under the Seal of Confession, so the gay guy can attack him and even lie with impunity, and the priest can’t say a word. He’s gagged under Canon Law Notice that his “inavailability” to comment is interpreted as evasion.
It just struck me how this is the perfect way to malign priests: because they can’t comment or defend themselves, under pain of excommunication.
Expect a lot more of this.
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