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To: Dutchboy88
Please forgive me the error I just made in Post 33 on this. I let my fingers do the walking on my keyboard and not my brain. I gave you the wrong and confusing reference:

Post 31: . . . please provide a passage supporting this claim . . . (Dutcboy88)

Post 33: I did in another response to you--Isaiah 45:11. (imardmd1)

That response was my Post 32 to your Post 31, and the verse quoted was:

"Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Is. 46:10 AV)

The things to be done by The God in the future presumes omniscience, including a foreknowledge of things to be done by others in the future, or to be thought by others in the future (the others perhaps not having yet even been born), to which His counsel is, or will be (and is also foreknown) a fit response.

Of course, all Biblical prophesy inherently embodies this aspect of His omniscience and foreknowledge, as stated obviously in Isaiah 46:10. N'est ce pas--Is it not so?

34 posted on 02/05/2014 6:16:52 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: imardmd1
""Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" (Is. 46:10 AV)"

Now, if this discussion is to proceed reasonably and carefully, we will not be able to address numerous topics in each post. Thus, I will focus on this particular point (recognizing I am bypassing other points for now, but we'll be back).

Your contention was that God did not drive Esau to his situation, but foresaw that Esau would choose it. And, you now claim that this passage in Is. supports your claim. That is, you find in this passage the concept that God is not managing the events of human history, but simply knows them. Man is doing them without any input from God's direction and evidently "free" from His control. Have I represented you correctly? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but the topics you are presenting are sufficiently broad as to warrant clarifying definitions.

35 posted on 02/05/2014 7:08:41 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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