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To: CynicalBear
>>> That is simply preposterous. Anyone with a modicum of sense can see with their own eyes that “every family” of Israel did not then nor have they since to this very day mourned for Jesus as the Messiah. The vast majority of the Israelite people then as they have done to this day reject Jesus as the Messiah. . . .blah, blah, blah.<<<

Funny, but John said it was fulfilled? I guess CynicalBear knows something John didn't. Of course, John was merely a disciple.

That kind of literal translation of spiritual prophecy is why Christ and his apostles were killed. Even though John clearly said the prophecy was fulfilled, dispensationalists somehow find a way to explain it away. Even when made aware that the chapter is bracketed with prophecies that were fulfilled with 1) Judas (Zech 11:11-12,) and 2) the scattering of the disciples after Jesus was crucified (Zech 13:7), dispensationalist still become obnoxiously self-righteous when someone dares contradict their new-age doctrine: the doctrine made famous by the convicted felon and con-man, Brother Cyrus Ingerson Scofield:

http://poweredbychrist.homestead.com/files/cyrus/scofield.htm

These is the same ideology that produced the buffoonish John Hagee, who makes such hateful statements as,

"Two-thirds of [Jews] are going to die and that one-third that is left at the end is going to finally come to the end of themselves.”

That is Brother Hagee's definition of a pep talk.

"I believe that every Jewish person who lives in the light of the Torah, which is the word of God, has a relationship with God and will come to redemption" (Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988).

Except that only those who come to Christ will be saved.

"I'm not trying to convert the Jewish people to the Christian faith... In fact, trying to convert Jews is a waste of time. Jews already have a covenant with God and that has never been replaced by Christianity." (Houston Chronicle, April 30, 1988, sec, 6, pg. 1).

So much for the Great Commission, and Christ fulfilling the old covenant as Abraham's seed of the promise.

Understand this point: three consecutive chapters in Zechariah refer to Christ's betrayal, crucifixion, and the scattering of his disciples, respectively. Recall this verse?

"And Jesus saith unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered." (Mark 14:27 KJV)

This is the prophecy that was fulfilled:

"Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones." (Zec 13:7 KJV)

Recall this?

"And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with [Judas] for thirty pieces of silver." (Mat 26:15 KJV)

This is the prophecy that was fulfilled:

"And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver" (Zech 11:12)

Philip

898 posted on 02/08/2014 8:01:13 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau; af_vet_1981
A little more information on you buddy Gentry and his friends.

Kenneth Gentry [http://www.theopedia.com/Kenneth_Gentry]

Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr. (b. 1950) is a pastor and theologian ordained in the Reformed Presbyterian Church, General Assembly. He has written numerous books and articles, most notably on preterism and postmillennialism in eschatology, and the Book of Revelation. He has also written on ethics, particularly from a theonomist view. Gentry is a graduate of Tennessee Temple University (BA), Reformed Theological Seminary (MDiv), and Whitefield Theological Seminary (ThM, ThD).

Theonomy – aka Christian Reconstructionism [http://carm.org/christian-reconstructionism-theonomy]

Recent advocates are Gary North, Gary DeMar, Kenneth Gentry, Larry Pratt, Greg Bahnsen.

Teachings:
Christian Reconstructionism (also known as theonomy) is a highly controversial movement within some conservative Christian circles. It maintains that the world should be brought under (reconstructed) the lordship of Jesus Christ in all areas: social, moral, political, judicial, military, family, art, education, music, etc. Christian Reconstructionism advocates the restoration of Old Testament civil and moral laws in order to reconstruct present American society into an Old Testament type Mosaic form and that the three main areas of society - family, church, government - should all be biblically modeled, the Bible being the sole standard. This would include severe punishments for law breakers. Some Christian reconstructionists would advocate death for adulterers, abortionists, idolaters, murderers, homosexuals, rapists, etc.

Reconstructionts maintain a strong belief that the Bible is true and inerrant. Generally postmillennial 'that through the preaching and teaching of the gospel, the world will be converted to Christianity and that Christ will return after a period of time after the world is converted.

Christian reconstructionism advocates removing prisons and and replacing them with the practice of restoration of damages done. Christians are the new chosen people of God, replacing national Israel. Other religious systems would be strongly resisted.

There is a debate among some Christian reconstructionists on whether or not slavery should be reinstituted; not all are in agreement.

Opposes evolution. Teaches Jesus will physically return to Israel.

Christian reconstructionism began with the publication of the Institute of Biblical Law by R. J. Rushdoony in 1973. This 800 page work expounded on the 10 Commandments. After Rushdoony's death in 2001, his son-in-law Gary North took the reins and has become a prolific writer, further advocating Christian Reconstructionism.

I’ve got lot’s of stuff on Gentry’s buddy Rushdoony. Of course old scary Gary North Rushdoony’s son in law was gem also. Want me to go on?

900 posted on 02/08/2014 8:43:03 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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