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To: PhilipFreneau; Elsie; restornu
>>Then why would he destroy it?<<

Why did He destroy the world with a flood. Wasn’t it to give it another chance? Didn’t He also promise a “new heaven and a new earth” since this world has fallen away from Him to a great extent? >>And would he not be making David a liar?<<

How naïve. “Who bears up” (aka foundation) the world?

Hebrews 1:3 who being the brightness of the glory, and the impress of His subsistence, bearing up also the all things by the saying of his might -- through himself having made a cleansing of our sins, sat down at the right hand of the greatness in the highest,

671 posted on 02/06/2014 9:15:31 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

>>>Why did He destroy the world with a flood. Wasn’t it to give it another chance? Didn’t He also promise a “new heaven and a new earth” since this world has fallen away from Him to a great extent? <<<

Did he send his son in vain? Did he send him to save the world, only to turn around and destroy it?

>>>How naïve. “Who bears up” (aka foundation) the world?<<<

I will assume you are referring to the passage I quoted by David, since you provided little clue. What lexicon are you using. Mine translates David’s words exactly as he said them.

Laid: yaw-sad’; to set (literally or figuratively); intensively, to found; reflexively, to sit down together, i.e. settle, consult: — appoint, take counsel, establish, (lay the, lay for a) found(-ation), instruct, lay, ordain, set, X sure.

Foundation: maw-kone’; properly, a fixture, i.e. a basis; generally a place, especially as an abode: — foundation, habitation, (dwelling-, settled) place.

Removed: mote; to waver; by implication, to slip, shake, fall: — be carried, cast, be out of course, be fallen in decay, X exceedingly, fall(-ing down), be (re-) moved, be ready, shake, slide, slip.

You reply is hard to follow. Will you clarify? I am in no hurry for a reply, so please take your time.

Philip


674 posted on 02/06/2014 9:33:18 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: CynicalBear
I believe we should put the verse you quoted in context:

"God, whospake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who… upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they." (Heb 1:1-4 KJV)

When did Christ speak to us? In the last days.

What is he upholding by the word of his power? All things, which I assume, includes the earth.

It would be a misinterpretation or misdirection to claim that passage was not verifying this passage by David:

"Bless the Lord, O my soul. O Lord my God,… Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever." (Ps 104:1, 5 KJV)

The "last days" in the Hebrews passage is referring to the last days of the Mosaic or Old Covenant Age. Nothing else. All "last day" or "last days" or "latter days" references are referring to the end of that age, which ended in its entirety at the end of the Jewish-Roman war in AD70. That was also the fulfillment of this:

"And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." (Rev 11:1-2 KJV)

And this:

"And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." (Luke 21:24 KJV)

The Gentile Roman armies tread the old-covenant holy city for forty and two months, or 3.5 years, ending in 70AD.

It was also the fulfillment of this:

"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Rom 11:25 KJV)

Philip

678 posted on 02/06/2014 10:14:21 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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