Undoubtedly? You mean like when Ezekiel referred to the house of Israel at the destruction of Jerusalem.
>>>And it is certainly not conditional - that is the declaration from the fall of Adam all the way through to Revelation.<<<
So, when the Lord said this he didn’t mean it?
"Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan; Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places: And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land, and dwell therein: for I have given you the land to possess it." (Num 33:51-53 KJV)
“But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. Moreover it shall come to pass, that I shall do unto you, as I thought to do unto them.” – Numbers 33:55-56 (see also Deuteronomy 8:19-20)
"And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the Lord thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish. As the nations which the Lord destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish; because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the Lord your God." (Deu 8:19-20 KJV)
>>>You must be of the impression that there was EVER an efficacy in the blood of animals. Certainly Scofield seems to be. Secondly, there are many kinds of sacrifice, not only atonement... and lastly, why kill the animals... In Melchizedek we are made priests and kings - the priests eat the sacrifice of the Temple.... Ever heard of barbeque? FOR SURE the Torah will go forth from Jerusalem - the Torah and the Holy Days will be kept - and the whole earth will keep them. That FRiend, has never happened yet.<<<
And it won't. The third temple is all spiritual, and it dwells on mount Sion and within us:
"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people." (2 Cor 6:16 KJV)
There will be no return to the Mosaic age. It is finished, and has been for nearly 2000 years. The law of ordinances was abolished by the cross.
"And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." (Col 2:13-17 KJV)
The law of the Lord can now be explained in a single sentence:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Mat 7:12 KJV)
"For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." (Gal 5:14 KJV)
"If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors." (Jam 2:8-9 KJV)
The doctrine of James 2:9 has been virtually ignored. God, who at one time was no respecter of persons within the twelve tribes, when Israel was his chosen people, is now no respecter of persons, at all, since he now considers us all one blood.
"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" (Acts 17:24-26 KJV)
What you have interpreted as physical Jerusalem, is in fact the Holy City, New Jerusalem: a spiritual city that all nations walk in the spiritual light of. It is also called the Church, and is eternal. The kingdom of God (or Heaven) is the way the Church has grown: like a grain of mustard seed, planted as the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ, to spread throughout the nations:
"The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof." (Mat 13:31-32 KJV)
"And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it." (Mark 4:30-32 KJV)
Philip
The House of Israel is in the end time battles in Jerusalem. Ephraim/Joseph is mentioned by name. He has equity, weapons. He is separate and distinct from Judah - And if it is all fulfilled, How can that be, as Ephraim is yet to be found, even to this day.
Ezekiel begins with the 'two sticks' prophecy... When was it that The House of Judah and the House of Israel were made one in the hand of Messiah? When was it that they elected over themselves one king? What is the significance of the valley of dry bones? If the passages of Ezekiel are chronological we have to start there.
[roamer_1:] And it is certainly not conditional - that is the declaration from the fall of Adam all the way through to Revelation.
So, when the Lord said this he didn’t mean it?
There is the problem with verse slinging. I can show you many verses that are explicit in saying that YHWH will make it all come to pass in spite of Israel's backsliding - not even for their sakes, but for the sake of His own Word. So in order for both to be true, ultimately, the blessings and the inheritance will come to pass. He certainly HAS destroyed Israel over and again, and He drove them from the land, just as He said...
But guess what? They're BAAAACK. Just as the prophets foretold, The House of Judah first, in apostasy. Then the Wars with the Muslims... Where somehow, Judah will return to YHWH and see Him who they have pierced... Then Ephraim finally figures out who he is, and comes back to the land. Then the final war.
There will be no return to the Mosaic age. It is finished, and has been for nearly 2000 years. The law of ordinances was abolished by the cross.
Riiiight. And with the wipe of a hand, the eternal Torah, the eternal Sabbaths, the very definition of sin, iniquity, and wickedness are all taken off the board. How then can Yeshua accuse 'workers of iniquity' if iniquity is no longer defined? This is what I mean about picking up 3/4ths of the way through the program. The Torah is the explicit variables. Take that away and the program breaks. So what is 'iniquity' (lawlessness) now? Mean people? It is absurd.
The law of the Lord can now be explained in a single sentence:
OHHH. So it IS mean people! Gimme a break!
Look:
The BIG TWO [Love YHWH with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself] are not 'New Testament'. They are Torah. The BIG 10 are divided by the BIG TWO, and the 600+ are also divided by the BIG TWO. The BIG TWO are a summary of the 10, and the 10 are a summary of the whole law. HOW one 'loves YHWH with all one's heart, mind, soul, and strength' is defined by the Torah! and HOW one 'loves one's neighbor as oneself' is also defined by the Torah!
'Torah' == '' is the very definition of lawlessness. How can your position be true?? Every time there is a reference to sin, wickedness, or iniquity, loving YHWH, or loving others in the NT is a direct explicit reference to Torah.
What you have interpreted as physical Jerusalem, is in fact the Holy City, New Jerusalem: a spiritual city that all nations walk in the spiritual light of. It is also called the Church, and is eternal. The kingdom of God (or Heaven) is the way the Church has grown: like a grain of mustard seed, planted as the Holy Spirit by Jesus Christ, to spread throughout the nations:
Right. And it is coming down here. Doesn't 'Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven' mean anything? Look around you! The Church is not without wrinkle or spot! It is not conquering the world. The end days have been going on for 2000 years, and are noted as a time when people would thirst for the truth and not be able to find it. Doesn't that sound more like the Great Falling Away?
Here is an idea:
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
And so, the obedience that the Creator of ALL requires is just 'Don't be a meanie'? That can't be right - How we know that we love one another is that we love one another? What does that even mean? There must be more to it - and in fact since there are commandments, that requires at least TWO. So maybe it is the BIG TWO... But How do we know HOW to do the BIG TWO? Hmmm...?
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
What was it that was heard from the beginning? The Torah? If not the Torah, then the words of Yeshua. eh? But Yeshua explicitly said to do and keep the Torah... so....
Wait! More Clues!
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.Keep the Commandments, Keep the Commandments, Keep the Commandments.
Rev_15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.
All Quoted (e-Sword:KJV)
LOLWhut? What are they doing singing about ol' Moses?