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To: NKP_Vet; daniel1212
Jesus Christ is a historical person ,

WOW! Now since that catholic belief has been exposed - and the same is for every other 'man made believer' they admit they have no Savior.

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM" And Jesus The Word is His Son Who became flesh.

God has no history, HE always was and always will be.

"The bottom line is that the truth of the Catholic Church

The bottom line is the pit for catholicsm and all they deceived, like every other 'man made religion' deceives.

'I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

168 posted on 02/01/2014 2:50:24 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; NKP_Vet; metmom; boatbums; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; ...
I am sure he is not denying the Deity of Christ, but if he is arguing per Staples polemic in the "According to Scripture" article, then the appeal is made to Scripture and Christ as merely historical persons in seeking to argue for Rome without appealing to circular reasoning.

For according to the RC premise, Rome with her (conditionally) infallible magisterium is necessary to authoritatively determine Truth, and thus to establish what is Scripture, and for souls to have assurance of Truth. Like as if you could only ever be sure what food was if the FDA told you. Thus RCs argue that Rome is the infallible OTC (One True Church®) because the inspired Scripture says so, and they know that Scripture is inspired and infallible because the Church says so.

Thus in order to avoid this death spiral, since Staples cannot appeal to Scripture as being the word of God apart from Rome saying so (as RC's can only know what is inspired because the Church has told them so), thus he resorts to appealing to Scriptures as being a historical book, which he reasonably concludes them to be Divine based upon examination of evidences.

However, in so doing he is seeking to determine Truth by a evangelical means in order to convince us you cannot obtain assurance of Truth by that means, as only Rome can provide you that assurance.

In addition, in making his argument he still engages in circularity, for while he polemically tries to argue from Scripture apart from Rome saying it is, yet in trying to argue from it he states as a fact that which is interpretive, but is held as a fact because Rome said so, that is that "Christ established a Church—not a book—to be the foundation of the Christian faith."

For rather than the church being the foundation of the Christian faith, the fact is that her Divine Founder and the church established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power. And thus thru members of the church more writings were added to the bulk of Scripture which already existed, in the light of their Divine qualities and attestation, being conformative and complementary to what was prior established.

For as often said, long before Rome presumed to claim she was necessary for Truth to be established, both men and writings of God were manifest and established as being such, with souls having assurance, even when rejected by those who are to affirm them. Thus the church began following an itinerant Preacher from Heaven who was rejected by those in the valid seat of authority, (Mt. 23:2; Mk. 11:27-33) but whom He reproved by Scripture, as He did the devil, (Mt. 4:4; Mk. 7:2-16) and affirmed it was the standard for obedience and testing Truth claims.

Furthermore, I did not realize it but this argument from Tim Staples was posted here last June, and then Jan 18 and yet again 10 days later on Jan 28, which shows you how much stock they place in it despite it being refuted at length the first time, by God's grace, back in June in the midst of moving, which was a quite a story of God's grace.

And then the second time Jan. 25, while i responded to the latest posting by asking important questions relative to the RC premise, which are still awaiting answers.

178 posted on 02/01/2014 8:31:28 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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