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To: BlueDragon
They would burn us both, alive, if they could get their hands on us. wait...what's that I hear...? is it "we" don't do that anymore..? oo-kay, but then what's up with this "we" when it comes to the "we gave you the bible"?

It means "we" according which century those in the never-changing chameleon church are in. In one century we have papal sanctioned killing (murder) of theological dissidents, but which could not be wrong then because Rome defines what it right, and RCs here have defended as being what was best for the souls of those slain, as well as the unity secular force enabled being set forth a model for the superiority of her sola ecclesia. And which mean many RCs seem to long for, contrary as it was to the NT church (nothing new) .

But having lost her unholy secular power to enforce her ecclesiastical law, later Rome says say such was wrong.

[Error condemned] That heretics be burned is against the will of the Spirit. Exsurge Domine, Bull of Pope Leo X issued June 15, 1520 http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo10/l10exdom.htm

255 posted on 01/28/2014 12:30:49 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
You made timely mention (thank you), of pope Leo X having condemned the phase (even the very idea?)

I repeat that for reason of the bracketed preface, that being [errors condemned] can be mistaken for meaning the opposite, in that a casual reader could mistake that pope for being against the "burning of heretics". He wasn't. Or at least he said that "the Spirit" was not against the expressed meaning, to be bit more precise.

Invoking both Peter, and the Apostle Paul, that papal bull Exsurge Domine must be one of those classified as being "without error", "infallibly led by the Spirit...in matters of faith and morals" etc., would it not?

How do "they" (the infamous they) wiggle out of this one?

If it were not for men such as Martin Luther (which bull was written for purpose and reason for condemnation of) and if instead the papists still retained secular powers as they once widely held in much of Europe, I have little to no doubt they would be using the same sort of fires in effort to burn out opposition to themselves today -- if they could get away with it. The more zealously "papist" the more likely, somewhat similar to the head-choppers of Islam --- meaning not all would run to commit such acts, but among them some would, with the overall sociopolitical/religious setting and climate being potentially hazardous to the health of any too vocally "moderate".

You know...sort-of like the religion forum section of FR. [just a bit of humor, folks. *try the veal!* be sure to tip those waiters & waitresses]

As you said;

It means "we" according which century those in the never-changing chameleon church are in. In one century we have papal sanctioned killing (murder) of theological dissidents, but which could not be wrong then because Rome defines what it right, and RCs here have defended as being what was best for the souls of those slain, as well as the unity secular force enabled being set forth a model for the superiority of her sola ecclesia.
Well put, indeed. Thanks. Yet they wonder why we object, going to great lengths to pretend such as "apostasy??? what "apostasy there's never been any of that sort of thing in our [ahem] "infallibly led in faith and morals" dept."
and more or less "My good man, whatever in the world are you talking about?" "Phhft. cannot you see such was necessary for the greater good of Western Civilization?" etc., the same old excuses and rhetorical tap dancing for all the various past difference of the "shadings" in that particular chameleon's hide. If that be the clear intent & will of God demonstrated (rather than just as He has perhaps chosen to allow, due to man's own choices and doings-- not His own desires) then who could love Him?

I hate the song and dance routine, all the little special pleadings, all the 'you have to look at it just right' and only *think* about it like "we" (the royal "we") tell you to.

264 posted on 01/28/2014 3:40:42 PM PST by BlueDragon ("the fans are staying away from the ballpark...in droves" Yogi Berra)
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