Why I Am Still an Evangelical Protestant [And Not Roman Catholic]

Chris Castaldo ^ | March 15th, 2013 | Chris Castaldo

[redleghunter]

“His Summa Theologica is the unquestioned authority for most serious scholars”

Read it and it is scholarly. But it does not represent the Words of Jesus Christ. Y’all missing the point here IMO. It is a case of righteousness vs unrighteousness. Romans discusses this a bunch. As in anything we offer God to justify ourselves is not the righteousness acceptable to the Father. Only the Son can please the Father. Only Christ’s Righteousness is acceptable to the Father. Otherwise if we do not “access” the Righteousness of Jesus Christ we must be perfect as The Father is perfect:

Matthew 5:48 NKJV

Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

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So the standard is perfection, that is the Father’s Perfection. Mortal sins and venal aside, neither belong in the same sentence or paragraph with the Father’s Perfection.

Solution? Seek Jesus Christ, He has answered the Father’s standard.

On another note reference venal sins? See the entire chapter of Matthew 5. Look at what Jesus says about lust. What He says about anger.

[Heart-Rest]

I see that no one has even come close yet to making a sane and cogent reply to your incisive references to 1 John 5:16-17.

Goodnight to both of you, and to all.

[daniel1212]

Please update your knowledge of the Catholic Church:

,Apparently in typical Roman reactionary fashion you did not realize that i was not dealing with Rc definition of mortal sin, but was responding to what a Prot said about mortal sin, and that the Bible actually teaches different classes of it.

In any case, once again in lieu of an argument you are casting links which do not refute what i said.

[redleghunter]

The point of Lazarus and the rich man? Here it is:

Luke 16:27-31 NKJV

“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

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Jesus told his disciples in Luke 24 that Moses and the Prophets testifies of Him. That would be that Jesus is the promised Messiah. With Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham we can conclude he believed this testimony.

[BlueDragon]

Posting stuff that is "not true". hmmm. but what?

Why no follow through? why the vague accusation in the first place?

Is it...to make others think...that "stuff you are posting" is not true...without being clear what that precisely is...leaving everyone to guess or assume it must be so, since hey, a 'catholic' said it -- must be right, eh? no further clarity of charge required...sort of like how the Inquisition operated (accused were never clearly told what "the charge" was, or if so, only by vague hints, and never as to basis or foundation)

Here, put this on, perhaps it may mollify them enough to let you live. This time

[xone]

ph

[redleghunter]

“I am speaking FOR Jesus.....sorry if “CAPS” makes you nervous.”

Did you find some seer stone in upstate NY, we should know about?

[redleghunter]

Picard was actually 24th:)

[redleghunter]

“Hello....because it wasn;t until the 15th century that you Protestants came into being!!! Deny that.”

I know Columbus discovered America in the 15th century.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Indeed. Everyone tells us to use the plain sense of scripture. Except when the plain sense of scripture it too Catholic, apparently.

[Brian Kopp DPM]

Yes. Heaven forbid we examine the plain sense of scripture when scripture obviously talks about mortal sin. Instead engage in linguistic gymnastics all the while accusing the papists of twisting scripture. LOL!

[redleghunter]

Yep. First rule of holes. When in one stop digging:)

[CynicalBear]

>>Yes. Heaven forbid we examine the plain sense of scripture when scripture obviously talks about mortal sin. Instead engage in linguistic gymnastics all the while accusing the papists of twisting scripture. LOL!<<

I did respond to your question about 1 John 5. There is only one mortal sin and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Spirit filled Christians cannot commit that sin.

Matthew 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.

It was relatively simple to find it in scripture. If Catholics would just read scripture and forget that RCC nonsense they would know also.

[xone]

Never was a fan, like JT Kirk. I accept your date.

[redleghunter]

Did John enumerate those “mortal sins?”

It is interesting you used the RSV which is the only version which uses “mortal.” The Latin Vulgate uses “ad mortem” which is death.

Why not use the NABRE?

1 John 5:16-17 NABRE

If anyone sees his brother sinning, if the sin is not deadly, he should pray to God and he will give him life. This is only for those whose sin is not deadly. There is such a thing as deadly sin, about which I do not say that you should pray. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not deadly.

[xone]

Luther was born in the 15th century as well. Pretty hard to get its point.

[Iscool]

I did respond to your question about 1 John 5. There is only one mortal sin and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Spirit filled Christians cannot commit that sin.

As did I...According to scripture there is only 1 mortal sin but they pervert the scriptures and claim there are many...And then they pretend we didn't show them the scriptures that provide that information...

[redleghunter]

As the Orthodox claim their canon is the true one. They have more they must be right:)

St. Jerome had an interesting analysis:

http://www.bible-researcher.com/jerome.html

[redleghunter]

Come now you know that Luther quote was from the beginning of a long polemic:

“Today the pope and his crowd cry out against us that they are the church, since they have received Baptism, the Sacrament, and Holy Writ from the apostles and are their successors. They say: “Where else should God’s people be than where His name is praised, and where the successors and heirs of His apostles are to be found? Surely the Turks, the Tartars, and the heathen cannot be His people. Therefore we must be His people; otherwise it will be altogether impossible to find a people of God on earth. Consequently, he who rebels against us resists the Christian Church and Christ Himself.”” [LW 24:303].
“This will surely offend and repel anyone who is not armed with different weapons and different strength, who listens only to such opinions of the most eminent and influential people on earth. “You are a heretic and an apostle of the devil,” “You are preaching against God’s people and the church, yes, against God Himself.” For it is exceedingly difficult to deprive them of this argument and to talk them out of it.” [LW 24:304].

“Yes, we ourselves find it difficult to refute it, especially since we concede—as we must—that so much of what they say is true: that the papacy has God’s Word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scripture, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them? Therefore faith, the Christian Church, Christ, and the Holy Spirit must also be found among them. What business have I, then, to preach against them as a pupil preaching against his teachers? Then there come rushing into my heart thoughts like these: “Now I see that I am in error. Oh, if only I had never started this and had never preached a word! For who dares oppose the church, of which we confess in the Creed: I believe in a holy Christian Church, etc.? Now I find this church in the papacy too. It follows, therefore, that if I condemn this church, I am excommunicated, rejected, and damned by God and all the saints.” [LW 24:304].

“But what is now our defense? And what is the ground on which we can hold our own against such offense and continue to defy those people? It is nothing else than the masterly statement St. Paul employs in Rom. 9:7 : “Not all are children of Abraham because they are his descendants.” Not all who bear the name are Israelites; or, as the saying goes: “Not all who carry long knives are cooks.” Thus not all who lay claim to the title “church” are the church. There is often a great difference between the name and the reality. The name is general. All are called God’s people, children of Abraham, Christ’s disciples and members; but this does not mean that they all are what the name signifies. For the name “church” includes many scoundrels and rascals who refused to obey God’s Word and acted contrary to it. Yet they were called heirs and successors of the holy patriarchs, priests, and prophets. To be sure, they had God’s Law and promise, the temple, and the priesthood. In fact, they should have been God’s people; but they practiced idolatry so freely under the cloak of the name “church” that God was forced to say: “This shall no longer be My temple and priesthood. My people shall no longer be My people. But to those who are not My people it shall be said: ‘You are sons of the living God’ ” (Hos. 1:10 ; 2:23 ).” [LW 24:304].

“Thus we are also compelled to say: “I believe and am sure that the Christian Church has remained even in the papacy. On the other hand, I know that most of the papists are not the Christian Church, even though they give everyone the impression that they are. Today our popes, cardinals, and bishops are not God’s apostles and bishops; they are the devil’s. And their people are not God’s people; they are the devil’s. And yet some of the papists are true Christians, even though they, too, have been led astray, as Christ foretold in Matt. 24:24 . But by the grace of God and with His help they have been preserved in a wonderful manner.” [LW 24:305].

“In the meantime we adhere to the distinction made here by Christ and do not regard as Christendom those who do not hold truly and absolutely to what Christ taught, gave, and ordained, no matter how great, holy, and learned they may be. We tell them that they are the devil’s church. On the other hand, we want to acknowledge and honor as the true bride of Christ those who remain faithful to His pure Word and have no other comfort for their hearts than this Savior, whom they have received and confessed in Baptism and in whose name they have partaken of the Sacrament. These are the true church. It is not found in only one place, as, for example, under the pope; but it exists over the entire earth wherever Christians are found. Outwardly they may be scattered here and there, but they meet in the words of the Creed: “I believe in God the Father Almighty, and in Jesus Christ, our Lord, who was born, suffered, and died for us on the cross.” In like manner, they pray: “Our Father who art in heaven.” They share the same Spirit, Word, and Sacrament. They all lead the same holy and blessed life, each one according to his calling, whether father, mother, master, servant, etc. Thus whatever we preach, believe, and live, this they all preach, believe, and live. Physically separated and scattered here and there throughout the wide world, we are nevertheless gathered and united in Christ.”[LW 24:309].

http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=We+are+compelled+to+concede+to+the+Papists+that+they+have+the+Word+of+God%2C

[redleghunter]

An interesting straw man to build there.