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To: metmom

Tradition informs our understanding of Scripture.
And Scripture is NOTHIHG other than the Oral Tradition, reduced to writing, some 200 to 300 years AFTER the death of the last Apostle.


316 posted on 01/28/2014 10:01:28 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58
And Scripture is NOTHIHG other than the Oral Tradition, reduced to writing, some 200 to 300 years AFTER the death of the last Apostle.

That's not what Paul tells us.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Now..... Who should I believe?

Paul?

Or an anonymous internet poster?

317 posted on 01/28/2014 11:27:02 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Kansas58; daniel1212

“And Scripture is NOTHIHG other than the Oral Tradition, reduced to writing, some 200 to 300 years AFTER the death of the last Apostle.”

So when Paul wrote to the Thessalonians that he was writing the epistle in his own hand, that was not actually written until 200-300 years later?

Just reading Polycarp’s epistle to the Philippians shoots down that theory. Then again Roman Catholic schools have been teaching for decades that the OT was fable and the NT was not written by the original authors who were claimed by the early fathers.


321 posted on 01/28/2014 5:17:42 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Kansas58
Tradition informs our understanding of Scripture. And Scripture is NOTHIHG other than the Oral Tradition, reduced to writing, some 200 to 300 years AFTER the death of the last Apostle.

If you actually read a bible, you'd know that is not true at all...It is completely false...

Joh_21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.

Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

James doing the writing...

Act 18:27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

brethren writing...

Rom 16:22 I Tertius, who wrote this epistle, salute you in the Lord.

1Co 7:1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.

Corinthians writing...

2Pe_3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:

1Jn_2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake.

Jud_1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

2Co_1:13 For we write none other things unto you, than what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust ye shall acknowledge even to the end;

Eph_3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Col_4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.

There was so much writing going on they must have had paper mills and pencil venders in most every town...PolyCarp had copies of the scriptures he was reading from every where he went...

When are you guys going to start teaching what the bible teaches???

354 posted on 01/28/2014 9:11:56 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Kansas58; metmom; redleghunter
And Scripture is NOTHIHG other than the Oral Tradition, reduced to writing, some 200 to 300 years AFTER the death of the last Apostle.

Just an unsorted sample of Scripture supporting itself and slaughtering your thesis re tradition (your further embroidering of it) vs Holy Scripture, which needs only exposition, not prostitution:

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto themthe scriptures the things concerning himself.
ταις γραφαις τα περι εαυτου
(Luke, writing in his own lifetime, of the Risen Messiah repeating, word for word, of the graphe of the Tanach to the face of two disciples)

Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
Col 4:17 And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.
Col 4:18 The salutation by the hand of me Paul. Remember my bonds. Grace be with you. Amen. Written from Rome to Colossians by Tychicus and Onesimus. (and Paul, as seen)

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Luk 1:1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
Luk 1:2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
Luk 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
Luk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Act 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
Act 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Heb 13:24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.
Heb 13:25 Grace be with you all. Amen. Written to the Hebrews from Italy, by Timothy.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
(Admonition against editing or emending not only the Apocalypse, but all of The God's previously and progressively written Word, the warning to be immediately recopied and circulated to all the Christian ekklaysiai)

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Further note that at least one of the gospels, and most of the general and pastoral epistles were circulated before the original Eleven (plus Paul = the Twelfth taught personally by Christ) died.

The above defense of the scripture, by the Scripture, and for the Scripture makes your claim that of a sort of dunce, doesn't it? You've been caught with your hand in the till. Give it up, eh?

Do we now have your attention?

362 posted on 01/29/2014 12:48:30 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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