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To: BlatherNaut; metmom; KingOfVagabonds; Berlin_Freeper; UnRuley1; mlizzy; mc5cents; RichInOC; ...

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled One Hundred Fifty Reasons I’m Catholic - And You Should Be Too!, BlatherNaut wrote:

To claim that we “worship her or attribute to her the attributes of God” is patently untrue.

The various haters here who make that false statement know full well that the claim is a baldfaced lie; hatred defaces them and allows the vile calumnies to spew forth. Pray for them, they need it.


531 posted on 01/25/2014 3:25:48 PM PST by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: narses
Let’s take the prayer of Prayer of Pope Pius XII. [http://catholicism.about.com/od/tothevirginmary/qt/Honor_Immacula.htm]

I’ll use just the bolded excerpts from the prayer.

we cast ourselves into your arms

1 Peter 5:7 Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. (When did we need to replace God with Mary?)

confident of finding in your most loving heart appeasement of our ardent desires, and a safe harbor from the tempests which beset us on every side.

Hebrews 4:15-16 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. (once again Catholics replacing Christ with Mary)

O crystal fountain of faith

Romans 12:3 according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. or "a measure of faith." (but Mary is the “fountain of faith” for Catholics)

Lily of all holiness

1 Samuel 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God. (for Catholics however, “all holiness” is given to Mary)

Conqueress of evil and death

Hosea 13:14 I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (but Catholics claim it was Mary who conquered death)

Convert the wicked

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; (Catholics have even replaced the Holy Spirit with Mary)

Statement by catholic Bishop Liqouri “.......We often more quickly obtain what we ask by calling on the name of Mary than by invoking that of Jesus.....” She...is our Salvation, our Life, our Hope, our Counsel, our Refuge, our Help”

Need I go on? Catholics have replaced virtually every attribute and working of God and given that to Mary in their worship.

538 posted on 01/25/2014 3:45:58 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: narses; metmom; CynicalBear; daniel1212; PhilipFreneau
To claim that we 'worship her or attribute to her the attributes of God' is patently untrue.

The various haters here who make that false statement know full well that the claim is a baldfaced lie; hatred defaces them and allows the vile calumnies to spew forth. Pray for them, they need it.

Well that is very good, and very Christian of you that you do not "attribute to her the attributes of God."

Let's get personal here and "out" those "haters" and "baldfaced li(ars)" and who are responsible for those "false statement(s)" and exactly who spews "vile calumnies" as you describe in your heinous vitriolic accusations:

... through her are obtained every hope, every grace, and all salvation. For this is his will, that we obtain everything through Mary (1).”

 “O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee. (2)

...it is also certain that you cannot find Jesus except with Mary and through Mary.(3)

God has committed to the Blessed Virgin Mary the treasury of all good things in order that everyone may know that through her are obtained every hope, every grace and all salvation. (4)

None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee (5)

The Catholic Church has always and with justice put all her hope and trust in the Mother of God (6)

Who is it that "spewed" these baldfaced lies?
(1) Pius IX (a pope in the 1800's)

(2) Leo XIII (another pope in the 1800's)

(3) St. Pius X (1900's)

(4) Pius IX (a pope in the 1800's)

(5) Leo XIII (this guy again)

(6) Leo XIII (you will recognize him)

Now about this "mother of God" thing...let's tone it down a bit huh?

Jesus was with God from the very beginning, so no way could Mary have birthed God.

Now Jesus, being fully God and fully man, needed a way to come into the world in human form.

Mary birthed Jesus in his man form not His God form.

So mother of Jesus, fine.

Mother of God, not so much.

As a disclaimer I will state that I have no problem with Catholics believing that you have to go through Mary to get to Jesus but please, don't try to get us Christians to follow all that extra-Biblical stuff.

And please stop dissing Christians for posting what your own church "Fathers" believe.

555 posted on 01/25/2014 6:03:58 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: narses

Exodus 20:1-6 KJV

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


620 posted on 01/25/2014 10:41:42 PM PST by redleghunter
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