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To: BlatherNaut
Catholic doctrine has changed developed changed.

I frequently go out to Catholic websites. I understand spin and they're on the fast cycle.

Please answer me this one question: Do you believe that Muslims can be saved by God apart from believing in Christ? Do you believe the early church fathers believed what you believe?

OK...that's two questions.

I don't expect an answer because I've asked this several times now in various ways to other Catholics here and received no answer. But one would think (hope) that it would make a person rather nervous to be out of line with the teachings of the early fathers.

This is not doctrinal development. This is heresy. But then, I suppose that is what heretics call heresy when you think about it. Surprisingly enough I did a Google on "doctrinal development joseph smith" and, sure enough, there it is. Joseph Smith was just doing doctrinal development.

Nothing surprises me any more.

288 posted on 01/24/2014 2:31:15 PM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: HarleyD

Only way a Muslim be saved is to totally be ignorant of the Christian faith and at the same time has lived his life according to the beatitudes, which cut through all faiths.
If a Muslim is exposed to Christianity and refuses to accept the truth he’s out of luck.


292 posted on 01/24/2014 2:37:11 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office" ~ Aesop)
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To: HarleyD
Please answer me this one question: Do you believe that Muslims can be saved by God apart from believing in Christ? Do you believe the early church fathers believed what you believe?

I believe it would be presumptuous of me or of anyone else to claim the ability to determine who will be saved and who will be damned. Only God has the right to judge another man's soul.

This is not doctrinal development. This is heresy.

By what standard? The New Testament differs from the Old. The teachings of Jesus differ from the teachings of Moses. If doctrinal development is heresy then why did God operate in this fashion?

307 posted on 01/24/2014 3:15:38 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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