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To: Colofornian
What? Are we supposed to simply acknowledge but otherwise ignore the "indwelling part about the Holy Spirit" in v. 17?

No, you're supposed to stop inventing 3 people where there are clearly 2.

The father and the son are the two. The holy spirit is not a third person. It's the indwelling spirit of the father and the son.

485 posted on 01/15/2014 2:31:13 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

I didn’t “invent” ANY of the personal attributes listed in post #447...you are the one ignoring all of Jesus’ references to “He” and “Him” and “another Advocate” being sent by Him in the book of John


523 posted on 01/15/2014 3:43:25 PM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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To: DouglasKC; Colofornian; CynicalBear
No, you're supposed to stop inventing 3 people where there are clearly 2. The father and the son are the two. The holy spirit is not a third person. It's the indwelling spirit of the father and the son.

In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.” “How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God. Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. For no word from God will ever fail.” (Luke 1:26-37)

Clearly, this is speaking of THREE - the Most High, the Holy Spirit and the Son of God. Not two...THREE.

590 posted on 01/15/2014 10:09:52 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: DouglasKC
No, you're supposed to stop inventing 3 people where there are clearly 2.
The father and the son are the two. The holy spirit is not a third person. It's the indwelling spirit of the father and the son.

FALSE! I can post considerable evidence that the Holy Spirit is God and a person.

THE USE OF PERSONAL PRONOUNS

John 15:26—“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me.”

John 16:7, 8, 13, 14—“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you. And when he is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.”

John 16:13-15 “Howbeit when He, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he will not speak of HIMSELF; but whatsoever he0 shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. HE shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.

The use of pronouns is the more remarkable from the fact that in the Greek language the word for Spirit is a neuter noun, and, according to Greek usage, the pronouns that refer to it should be neuter, and yet in numerous instances a masculine pronoun is used, thus bringing out very strikingly how the Bible idea of the personality of the Holy Spirit dominates grammatical construction. There are instances, of course, where the natural grammatical usage is followed and a neuter pronoun used. (Rom. 8:16, 26.) But in many instances this construction is set aside and the masculine personal pronoun used to refer to the neuter noun.

647 posted on 01/16/2014 12:40:04 PM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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