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To: Colofornian
No matter how you slice it and dice it NOBODY in the bible, including Jesus Christ, beleived the holy spirit was a separate "person" that stood along the father and the son.
(See John 14:16-17, 26 and John 16:13-15 at post #363 and let Jesus speak for Himself)

Yes, let's let Jesus speak for himself:

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever—
Joh 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

That's okay. But you want to leave out other scripture which make it clear:

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

Who will come? "I", the Christ.

Joh 14:19 "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him." Joh 14:22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?" Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

Praying to his father Christ said:

Joh 17:11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.

Jesus describe himself and the father as one. He doesn't include the holy spirit because it's NOT a separate person. It IS the spirit of God or Christ working on the earth.

Joh 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me

Joh_10:30 I and My Father are one."

The book of John positively abounds with these statements. There is no person named the holy spirit. There is the father and the son. The holy spirit is not a separate person, but it the LOVE of the father and son on earth.

This is the message of scripture. Your theology has forced you take scriptures completely out of context and assign a new "person" to the Godhead where there is no justification or need to insert one.

456 posted on 01/15/2014 12:42:06 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; All
Interesting exposition there...you cite John 14:23...and you emphasize the latter part of the verse, as it if was a complete revelation about who God is Person-wise... 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

and you cite v. 17 about the Holy Spirit...too...including this last portion: "for He DWELLS WITH you and will be in you."

What? Are we supposed to simply acknowledge but otherwise ignore the "indwelling part about the Holy Spirit" in v. 17?

Don't you see what you're doing?

I could pull the same type of stunt you're doing...Here, let me show you:

In his letters to the Corinthians, Paul ONLY talks about the Holy Spirit and God being entempled in us:

"16 Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?" (1 Cor. 3:16)
* "For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” (2 Cor. 6:16)

Why, per this fancy-dancy verse extraction process we're learnin' from DouglasKC, that must mean that since Paul didn't include "Jesus" as being entempled, that ONLY the Holy Spirit and "God" is.

You see the problem with this kind of uncharitable-cherry-verses-left-on-the-branch ways is that it's tantamount to citing 1 Cor. 3:16 & 2 Cor. 6:16 and conclude that's the entirety of what God said about a subject...and yet what did Paul say in...
Colossians 1:27?: ...Christ in you, the hope of glory.

The Holy Spirit indwells us (John 14:16-17; 1 Cor. 3:16);
Jesus indwells us (Col. 1:27; John 14:23; John 17:26) -- as He promised to be with us thru the end of the age (Matt. 28:20)
The Father indwells us (John 14:23; John 17:26; cf. 2 Cor. 6:16)

477 posted on 01/15/2014 1:51:00 PM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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