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To: restornu; DouglasKC; Colofornian; metmom; boatbums; smvoice
Now where did you cut and paste that from but didn’t give attribution?

Now as to those “books” referenced. Did the apostles or the Jewish leaders consider them scripture and preserve them? NO. Did Jesus ever quote them and say “it is written”? NO. Did God see fit to preserve them for us today? NO.

Please look at my statement again.

“If we can’t rely on God preserving His word for us today as HE would have it we have nothing.”

Now we know that there are many other writings of the time. Josephus obviously comes to mind. Were they considered inspired of God and thus scripture. NO.

Does scripture tell us we have enough? YES.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Do we know that the scripture we have today comes from God? YES.

2 Peter 1:21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Were we warned about those who come with something other than is found in scripture? YES.

Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

Was scripture “once and for all” delivered and should we stand by that? YES.

Jude 3 Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

Were we told how to deal with those who come with “another gospel”? YES.

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

453 posted on 01/15/2014 12:29:38 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Now as to those “books” referenced. Did the apostles or the Jewish leaders consider them scripture and preserve them? NO. Did Jesus ever quote them and say “it is written”? NO.Did God see fit to preserve them for us today? NO.

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This is like scramble eggs.

These are missing books and scriptures of God words that the Bible makes reference to

It matters not what men think if they needed to be preserved these are documents of the Lord..

Do hear yourself defended the works of men.

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they were considered authentic and valuable but that are not found in the Bible today.

Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:

book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21:14);
book of Jasher (Josh. 10:13; 2 Sam. 1:18);
book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11:41);
book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29:29);
book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29:29);
book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9:29);
visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 13:22);
book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12:15);
book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20:34);
sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33:19);
an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5:9);
possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3:3);
an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4:16);
and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1:14).

To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text but may perhaps be known by a different title;

for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24:7),
which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10:25);
the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26:22).

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that He gave to His people in former times and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete.

Matthew’s reference to a prophecy that Jesus would be a Nazarene (2:23) is interesting when it is considered that our present Old Testament seems to have no statement as such.

There is a possibility, however, that Matthew alluded to Isa. 11:1, which prophesies of the Messiah as a Branch from the root of Jesse, the father of David.

The Hebrew word for branch in this case is netzer, the source word of Nazarene and Nazareth.

Additional references to the Branch as the Savior and Messiah are found in Jer. 23:5; 33:15; Zech. 3:8; 6:12; these use a synonymous Hebrew word for branch, tzemakh.

The Book of Mormon makes reference to writings of Old Testament times and connection that are not found in the Bible, the Book of Mormon, or in any other known source.

These writings are of Zenock, Zenos, and Neum (1 Ne. 19:10; Alma 33:3–17). An extensive prophecy by Joseph in Egypt (which is not in the Bible) is also apparent from 2 Ne. 3:4–22, and a prophecy of Jacob (not found in the Bible) is given in Alma 46:24–26.

These writings were evidently contained on the plates of brass spoken of in the Book of Mormon (1 Ne. 5:10–13).

Many like to edit Gal 1 to fit their scenario and ignore the Lord inquire to Paul through revelation.

Gal. 1 (Preachers of false gospels are accursed—Paul received the gospel by revelation—)

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul did correct but after all were gone from the earth there was a war for almost 3 hundred years all of the manuscripts were in jeopardy in-between that time now I am sure there were many good men at that council along with designing men and I don’t mean Arius.

Things are even now creeping in saying that representatives form Islam was among them... I don’t it is just strange it among the writings I did not look closely I have enough on my plate.


462 posted on 01/15/2014 1:10:47 PM PST by restornu (Luke 24:39... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have)
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To: CynicalBear

AMEN, CB. And I will stand on this with the whole armor of God. As I know you will also.


710 posted on 01/17/2014 9:08:03 AM PST by smvoice (There are no prizes given for defending the indefensible.)
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